# 200 Mile Gravel Plan vs Mountain Fondo **URL:** \ **Category:** Training Plans\ **Created:** [June 14, 2023, 7:04am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934 "2023-06-14T07:04:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JayKay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JayKay](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JayKay)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 7:04am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/1 "2023-06-14T07:04:32Z")
Probably a question for the coaches. Assume both plans are considered at high volume and 3:1 progression. So, what are the differences between the two plans in terms of the outcome? Specifically, how will the gravel plan prepare you better than Mountain Fondo for longer (e.g. 300km) mountainous road events? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Glen.Coutts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/glen.coutts/32/25318_2.png) [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/2 "2023-06-14T11:50:22Z")
GREAT question. Looking forward to reading the responses. ---
**Author:** ![TrapMeSuf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/trapmesuf/32/10401_2.png) [@TrapMeSuf](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/TrapMeSuf)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:12pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/3 "2023-06-14T12:12:29Z")
That’s an interesting question indeed. I’ve just put them side by side on the screen and there’s not a lot of difference between them. Perhaps the answer is ‘marketing’: same product, different brand. ---
**Author:** ![Glen.Coutts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/glen.coutts/32/25318_2.png) [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/4 "2023-06-14T12:36:00Z")
> [@TrapMeSuf](#): > > side by side on the screen hahaha. I did the same and I thought there was actually a fair amount of difference 🤷‍♂️ Looked at high volume 2:1 plan. The fondo has violator and goat and The Model (twice) Nine Hammers etc and seems to have a bigger focus on shorter punchier efforts vs the gravel that seems a lot more focused on longer sustained efforts. ---
**Author:** ![DameLisa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/damelisa/32/8327_2.png) [@DameLisa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DameLisa)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/5 "2023-06-14T17:52:30Z")
> [@Glen.Coutts](#): > > The fondo has violator and goat and The Model (twice) Nine Hammers etc and seems to have a bigger focus on shorter punchier efforts vs the gravel that seems a lot more focused on longer sustained efforts. Exactly this. I managed to write down the original Ian Boswell 200mile GG plan and it is brutal co pared to the current 200GG plan ---
**Author:** ![alopezor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@alopezor](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/alopezor)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/6 "2023-06-15T01:35:18Z")
Doesn’t it depend on the type of rider you are? I’ve done the mountain fondo 3/1 high volume twice now and never had violator or GOAT in it. In fact, i’ve never done violator. My plan had: SUF idol Defender Blender short Attacker The bat A very dark place Angels Revolver (sub by cygnet road the 2nd time) Team scream (sub by hammer chase the 2nd time) Cobbler Nine hammers The chores Do as you’re told Joyride The cure Cash register ---
**Author:** ![Glen.Coutts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/glen.coutts/32/25318_2.png) [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/7 "2023-06-15T01:41:28Z")
> [@alopezor](#): > > never done violator First, THAT needs to be rectified, like right now!! Second, I’m not sure if the vids change based on your rider type. I was looking at the 2:1 plan. Maybe because of the ratio, they change the rides they want you to do and how often. I’m hoping a coach/SUF Scientist weighs in here cuz I am genuinely curious on their thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![DameLisa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/damelisa/32/8327_2.png) [@DameLisa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DameLisa)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 4:13am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/8 "2023-06-15T04:13:37Z")
I think they used to be rider type based but nownthey are more weakness/strength based? But am not entirely sure. ---
**Author:** ![JayKay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JayKay](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JayKay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 5:44am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/9 "2023-06-16T05:44:35Z")
Perhaps the difference is volume? GG simply has more hours in the saddle than MF. Is this the reason why it’s recommended for 300km road Fondo’s? ---
**Author:** ![DameLisa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/damelisa/32/8327_2.png) [@DameLisa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DameLisa)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 8:29am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/10 "2023-06-16T08:29:42Z")
Probably ---
**Author:** ![JayKay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/54ee81/32.png) [@JayKay](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JayKay)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 10:04am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/11 "2023-06-16T10:04:12Z")
High volume 3:1 MF has ~88 hours. High volume 3:1 GG has ~101 hours. So a 13 hour difference. It equates to about 1½ weeks worth of extra volume in MF. ---
**Author:** ![Heretic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/heretic/32/2329_2.png) [@Heretic](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Heretic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/200-mile-gravel-plan-vs-mountain-fondo/22934/12 "2023-06-18T15:47:54Z")
> [@Glen.Coutts](#): > > > [@alopezor](#): > > > > never done violator > > First, THAT needs to be rectified, like right now! As promised in a previous post, I did Violator today. It is so much fun (cough, cough), you should try it @alopezor.