# ANNOUNCING: The New Sufferlandrian Flag & Coat of Arms **URL:** \ **Category:** The Sufferfest\ **Created:** [January 19, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002 "2021-01-19T00:12:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![SirWadensee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/sirwadensee/32/9662_2.png) [@SirWadensee](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/SirWadensee)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/195 "2022-02-16T15:56:37Z")
Yeah, I just completed my Knighthood on February 5th and was just officially admitted to the forum yesterday. It’s safe to say, I’m proud of the attempt and was just wondering if it’s allowed to use the goat logo on other gear or not. ---
**Author:** ![Jacob\_Cochenour](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jacob_cochenour/32/9663_2.png) [@Jacob\_Cochenour](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Jacob_Cochenour)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/196 "2022-02-16T16:08:27Z")
I want it on everything it at the end of my emails now. ---
**Author:** ![DameLisa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/damelisa/32/8327_2.png) [@DameLisa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DameLisa)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/197 "2022-02-16T17:25:09Z")
Aha I missed that! And yes it id very cool. I have it as my wallpaper on my laptop ---
**Author:** ![Glen.Coutts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/glen.coutts/32/25318_2.png) [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/198 "2022-02-16T19:33:11Z")
> [@SirWadensee](#): > > allowed to use the goat logo on other gear or not I’m not sure what the law is here, but I imagine as long as you aren’t selling stuff you are probably ok. 🤞 ---
**Author:** ![Endlessly\_Curious](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/endlessly_curious/32/6920_2.png) [@Endlessly\_Curious](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Endlessly_Curious)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/199 "2022-03-02T17:29:34Z")
I like the new flag, its good to appease the laser goats! Is there a higher resolution version of the old coat of arms on a white or transparent background available anywhere? I’d like to use it in my wallpaper rotation but the largest I can find via google search is 800x800 and I’ve got a 4k monitor so it ends up small. I could scale it up but it won’t be as smooth as it could be then… ![Sufferlandria](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/d/d365b47d61fc0ae9d5f97fbecc07841d8ae4c077.png) ---
**Author:** ![GermBel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@GermBel](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/GermBel)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/200 "2022-06-23T16:40:06Z")
Hello fellew SUFs I’m really happy about the departure from the original flag. The style and colors were too closely tied to present and past real world historical or current situations . These that have actual humans at this very moment real and very primal sufferings with basic necessities such as Food, Shelter, Clothing and hard challenges towards self growth. We Sufferlandrians suffer by choice and I could not personally associate to that flag because of its design and colours. I’am military, with deployed experience which may possibly explain my sensitivity. The GOAT flag is not perfect, but I can fly with it. This was not the case with the previous. For that I’am happy, and most of all have grown fawner of the Sufferlandria nation for this gesture, for having leaders that are considerate in this fashion. Many thanks, and will crank the power to inflict the greatest amount of Pain and Agony to those around me. All the Glory to me is for the nation 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jon/32/1298_2.png) [@Jon](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/201 "2022-06-23T16:42:36Z")
![SFFX_1920x1080](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/a/a413e77e590574eb9db9c6afb0e0646932dd0d2f.jpeg) Not a white background, but this is the old Desktop wallpaper they used to offer ---
**Author:** ![jembradshaw](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jembradshaw/32/11691_2.png) [@jembradshaw](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/jembradshaw)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/202 "2022-06-30T01:40:04Z")
Makes for a great new wallpaper on my phone. Thanks for the motivation! ---
**Author:** ![DarrenWCKam](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/darrenwckam/32/23861_2.png) [@DarrenWCKam](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DarrenWCKam)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/203 "2022-07-03T12:37:51Z")
I have this wallpaper on my car’s stereo, so every morning I crank the engine to life, this is what I see 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SirDaveKoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/sirdavekos/32/8454_2.png) [@SirDaveKoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/SirDaveKoS)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/204 "2023-01-10T01:13:09Z")
Still the background on one of my desk monitors. ---
**Author:** ![doctordarko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/doctordarko/32/11783_2.png) [@doctordarko](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/doctordarko)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/205 "2023-01-12T23:06:49Z")
Thanks for resurfacing this one as I now have a new phone lock screen image. I have resized the flag to phone resolution, Pixel 7 Pro in my case with 1440 x 3120 resolution. Goat has been strategically placed so on my Pixel it’s clear of the fingerprint sensor and the time/date text. ![Laser Goat Phone](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/2/265e84f7a8dbd01f6de2c0e24acb123342d96496.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jon/32/1298_2.png) [@Jon](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Jon)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2023, 9:50am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/206 "2023-01-13T09:50:41Z")
Ha. I too recently resized the flag, to chest resolution 😃 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/0/06c21b78989df6abf7eef7b21cd31fc86287f245.jpeg) The world needs more Sufferfest merch ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2023, 10:15am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/207 "2023-01-15T10:15:30Z")
This is certainly not an issue I would care to fight about personally, and clearly it’s done now anyway, however this page is interesting: > **[Flag of the German Empire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_German_Empire)** > > The Flag of the German Empire, or Imperial Flag, Realm Flag, (German: Reichsflagge) is a combination between the flag of Prussia and the flag of the Hanseatic League. The flag was first used as the flag of the North German Confederation which was formed in 1867. Later, during the Franco-Prussian War, the German Empire was founded (i.e., the South German states joined the Confederation). Germany would continue using it until the German Revolution of 1918–1919, which resulted in the founding of Th... I don’t vouch for anything there, but it does seem this was the German flag since 1867 (with color origins dating back much farther as I understand). The claim is it was actually used, maybe unsurprisingly, by both Nazi and exiled Germans during the war, and it seems continued to have meaning for exiled Germans after the war. Perceptions can matter as much as facts, but knowledge changes perceptions too. ---
**Author:** ![AdamS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@AdamS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/AdamS)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/208 "2023-01-16T18:38:22Z")
IMO - the goal of any business, is to grow - to do that in this model one has to increase marketability. I am grateful that The Sufferfest recognized this and joined with Wahoo because the overall application has increased in functionality (without a price increase, let’s remember). Would we rather that The Sufferfest go away altogether? Big picture, joining with Wahoo has culminated in the awesome opportunity to go on group rides with Ian Boswell and Pete Stetina and Heather Jackson in RGT. That’s amazing if you ask me. To your other point, if one believes that The Sufferfest workouts have been “watered down” go do the FF and then increase the % difficulty. Let’s remember that Boz won Unbound using the off the shelf 200 mile plan. If it works for Boswell, then it works for me (not that I intend to even enter Unbound, but we get the point). Long live Laser Goats. Long live The Sufferfest. ---
**Author:** ![IsiSchneider\_KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/isischneider_kos/32/23131_2.png) [@IsiSchneider\_KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/IsiSchneider_KoS)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/209 "2023-01-30T20:18:28Z")
this is why - as a longtime Sufferlandrian - never quite felt comfortable with the old flag. I live in Germany and would never dare to fly it in public (even though I keep one in my pain chamber) but the goat is a lot less disruptive and yet frightening in its very own Sufferlandrian way ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/210 "2023-01-31T11:52:04Z")
I don’t follow what you mean by “this” in “this is why [I] never…” Like I said, I get that perceptions matter and this perception exists and makes people uncomfortable. But the article I linked pointed out that the old flag did not have its origins in Nazis. It represented many people well before Nazis, and the article claims that even during and after the war it was used by good people (also descending from pre-war Germany) who broke away from Nazi Germany. I don’t know how significant that use was. It’s all complicated because meanings of symbols change. It wasn’t continuously the German flag, reintroduced in 1933, making things worse. And the link claims it was adopted by Neo Nazis, so that may be the biggest impact on modern distaste, and unerstandably. ---
**Author:** ![CPT\_A](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/cpt_a/32/15342_2.png) [@CPT\_A](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/CPT_A)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:01pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/211 "2023-01-31T12:01:45Z")
> [@Still\_D](#): > > I don’t follow what you mean by “this” in “this is why [I] never…” Like I said, I get that perceptions matter and this perception exists and makes people uncomfortable. > > But the article I linked pointed out that the old flag did not have its origins in Nazis. It represented many people well before Nazis, and the article claims that even during and after the war it was used by good people (also descending from pre-war Germany) who broke away from Nazi Germany. I don’t know how significant that use was. It’s all complicated because meanings of symbols change. It wasn’t continuously the German flag, reintroduced in 1933, making things worse. And the link claims it was adopted by Neo Nazis, so that may be the biggest impact on modern distaste, and unerstandably. @Still_D, I get that you’re either really wanting to understand, or maybe you’re trolling - I don’t know. But Dame @IsiSchneider_KoS is LITERALLY GERMAN. Maybe just accept it and move on. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:01pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/212 "2023-01-31T12:01:55Z")
What’s super fascinating is that repression of the flag in 1918 is directly related to what many claim set the groundwork for a sort of resentment based ( and maybe partially justified resentment even) support of an ultra-nationalist uprising in 1933. I’m no expert, but I think I have that close to as right as reasonable for the number of words. ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:06pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/213 "2023-01-31T12:06:55Z")
The personal presumptions are fully inappropriate to the conversation and I’d ask that you refrain. Likewise, personal advice was not requested, but… A lot of people descended from the German Empire. Not all of them are German now. A lot died in that war who were not German. I get the German discomfort entilrey. Did I not make that perfectly clear? Is it trolling to point out the broader history? I mean there’s a whole thread on this flag, and it’s wrong for someone to mention where the flag came from? That must imply an agenda? Right, I’m not modern-day German so it’s almost like I’m victim bashing now? Oh wait. No. (although truthfully there were of course victims everywhere). But of course none of that is the point. The point now is who is uncomfortable with the flag. I don’t think anyone owns that, certainly not Germans. Sorry what was I thinking. I should stick to simplistic virtue signaling like you are doing in your response to me(since we’re going there) and anything else beyond that is clearly just me being a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![IsiSchneider\_KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/isischneider_kos/32/23131_2.png) [@IsiSchneider\_KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/IsiSchneider_KoS)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/216 "2023-01-31T12:32:00Z")
> **[Innenminister Strobl: Erlass gegen Reichsflaggen steht](https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/innenminister-strobl-erlass-reichskriegsflaggen-100.html)** > > Bund und Länder wollen einheitlich gegen das Zeigen von Reichsfahnen und Reichskriegsflaggen vorgehen. Diese Regelungen sind geplant. > **[Vor Innenministerkonferenz: Deutsche Reichsflagge soll verboten werden](https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/innenministerkonferenz-mustererlass-zum-umgang-mit-flaggen-17387530.html)** > > Die Innenminister wollen mit einem Mustererlass das Zeigen bestimmter ehemaliger deutscher Flaggen untersagen. Rechtsextremisten nutzen etwa die Reichsflagge von 1892 als Ersatzsymbol für die verbotene Hakenkreuzflagge. > **[Umgang mit Reichskriegsflagge](https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/nazi-symbolik-umgang-mit-reichskriegsflagge-1.5241710)** > > Söder kündigte ein Verbot an, bislang gibt es aber nur Handlungsanweisungen an die Polizei > **[Söder will Reichskriegsflagge in Bayern verbieten - WELT](https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article216654148/Soeder-will-Reichskriegsflagge-in-Bayern-verbieten.html)** > > Büro statt Bierzelt: Die CSU versucht einen ersten großen Online-Parteitag. Per Videokonferenz hält Parteichef Markus Söder eine Grundsatzrede. Er rechtfertigt seine bisherige Corona-Strategie – und kündigt ein Verbot der Reichskriegsflagge in Bayern... any more questions? thank you [Previous page](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002.md?page=9) [Next page](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002.md?page=11)