# ANNOUNCING: The New Sufferlandrian Flag & Coat of Arms **URL:** \ **Category:** The Sufferfest\ **Created:** [January 19, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002 "2021-01-19T00:12:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![CPT\_A](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/cpt_a/32/15342_2.png) [@CPT\_A](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/CPT_A)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/217 "2023-01-31T12:33:56Z")
> [@IsiSchneider\_KoS](#): > > any more questions? > thank you @IsiSchneider_KoS Betting there will be in 3…2…1… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 12:35pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/218 "2023-01-31T12:35:42Z")
I did point out exactly that it’s been commandeered by Neo Nazis did I not? quoting me: > And the link claims it was adopted by Neo Nazis, so that may be the biggest impact on modern distaste, and unerstandably. Any more questions? Thank you. (◔\_◔) Seriously though, It’s actually too bad about all the snark and accusations (which I just don’t get) because it is all great information, including the perspective from present-day Germans and yes, the headlines too. I had no intention to discount IsiSchneider\_KoS’s perspective in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![Glen.Coutts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/glen.coutts/32/25318_2.png) [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/219 "2023-01-31T15:22:39Z")
I think some of the “snark” is because you’ve brought up a thread from 2 years ago, with the rationale for the change clearly provided by the OP at the top of his thread, supported and lauded (as well as challenged) by several others, and, with several Germans expressing their gratitude for the change. It comes off, in text anyway, as disingenuous when you say that > [@Still\_D](#): > > This is certainly not an issue I would care to fight about personally, and clearly it’s done now anyway, however… Why bring it up then if you aren’t looking to argue or incite a reaction? When people say “something something _but_” I have a hard time escaping that the “something something” isn’t their original intent. Eg. I’m not one to criticize _however_ (insert criticism). I love this guy _but_ (insert reason to dislike him) etc. Then, when people react to, or comment on your post, which I think is to be expected, you “just don’t get” their reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/221 "2023-01-31T15:35:40Z")
> [@Glen.Coutts](#): > > Why bring it up then if you aren’t looking to argue or incite a reaction? Seriously? Ok. Think whatever you wish. Amazing. I said what I said, and the reason people imagine for me saying it, are not my problem, regardless how many imagine it. They are false and they are imagined. Period. Not on me. What kind of reaction are you acusing me of trying to get? You think I’m some kind of Neo Nazi sympathizer? You’re accusing me of that from this? If not then what is it exactly you think? Don’t answer. I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Still\_D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Still\_D](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Still_D)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:01pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/222 "2023-01-31T16:01:20Z")
> [@Glen.Coutts](#): > > I think some of the “snark” is because you’ve brought up a thread from 2 years ago, with the rationale for the change clearly provided by the OP at the top of his thread, supported and lauded (as well as challenged) by several others, and, with several Germans expressing their gratitude for the change. > > It comes off, in text anyway, as disingenuous when you say that > > Why bring it up then if you aren’t looking to argue or incite a reaction? When people say “something something _but_” I have a hard time escaping that the “something something” isn’t their original intent. Eg. I’m not one to criticize _however_ (insert criticism). I love this guy _but_ (insert reason to dislike him) etc. Then, when people react to, or comment on your post, which I think is to be expected, you “just don’t get” their reactions. Summarizing. What you have said is you will choose to assume the worst when you are unable to understand someone else’s mind. And it’s not an uncommon stance in public discourse now, but it is quite sad and toxic. ---
**Author:** ![simon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/simon/32/14007_2.png) [@simon](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/simon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/223 "2023-01-31T16:12:24Z")
Please, @Still_D, give it a rest… I avoid Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. because of this exact type of unproductive discourse. We are here to talk about training and support each other through our efforts to get fitter. Getting into an argument about what a symbol should or shouldn’t mean, and who should and shouldn’t be offended by it is not why I, or the vast majority of Sufferlandrians come here. We get it, you don’t agree with changing the flag. The End. ---
**Author:** ![aerobrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/aerobrain/32/5871_2.png) [@aerobrain](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/aerobrain)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/224 "2023-01-31T16:58:16Z")
Hey guys, it’s cool to have different opinions and I get this can be quite an emotive topic, but just a reminder to keep things civil. I think given this is a pretty old thread I’ll close it for now. ---
**Author:** ![aerobrain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/aerobrain/32/5871_2.png) [@aerobrain](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/aerobrain)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/announcing-the-new-sufferlandrian-flag-coat-of-arms/7002/225 "2023-01-31T16:58:21Z")
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