# How many 4DPs have you done? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [June 23, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502 "2021-06-23T19:04:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FatSprinter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/fatsprinter/32/5801_2.png) [@FatSprinter](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/FatSprinter)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 7:04pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/1 "2021-06-23T19:04:38Z")
So, humour me. Just done my 5th 4DP, two 12 week plans and the first 4DP. So, 5 in total and 5 this year. I must be mad. So, humour me, how many 4DPs have you done? 1. This year 2. Ever Intrigued to know how many insane people there are out there, cos we do it to ourselves. I’ll post my progress in another post, when I’ve recovered. Cheers Colin (aka FatSprinter) ---
**Author:** ![way9e0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/way9e0/32/1121_2.png) [@way9e0](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/way9e0)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/2 "2021-06-23T19:47:23Z")
1. 3 Full Frontal 4DP tests so far this year 2. 9 Full Frontal 4DP tests ever ---
**Author:** ![emacdoug](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/emacdoug/32/15557_2.png) [@emacdoug](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/emacdoug)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/3 "2021-06-23T21:31:09Z")
I’ve done 5 (a 6th is due in the next week and a half). 2 this year (a 3rd coming up soon). ---
**Author:** ![Heretic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/heretic/32/2329_2.png) [@Heretic](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Heretic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/4 "2021-06-23T22:16:29Z")
I have only resided in Sufferlandria since November. I have completed two 4DP tests. I plan on doing another on soon. ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/5 "2021-06-23T23:33:54Z")
@FatSprinter Two so far this year with the 3rd scheduled for next week. Five total since I signed up in March 2020. I generally try to do one every 12 weeks but last year I had a mechanical and also an injury that kept me off the bike for a bit. My biggest challenge is toning down the outdoor workouts going into the test as it is summer here and we have been getting some really great riding weather. ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 10:07am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/6 "2021-06-24T10:07:58Z")
An excellent question, 4DP is a wonderful thing! > [@From the Coaches: Are you training with accurate 4DP targets?](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/from-the-coaches-are-you-training-with-accurate-4dp-targets/5038): > > I have noticed a few topics in the forum recently discussing a workout being too hard, a plan too easy and athletes questioning their 4DP profile. Although workouts and plans are tailored to your rider type and 4DP profiles, the app can only work with what it knows, meaning it is up to the athlete to make sure they are revisiting these numbers on a regular (every 3months) basis. Testing your 4DP numbers regularly ensures you are working with SMART goals. More often than not we see people using … This year: 2 Total: 8 IWBMATTKYT ---
**Author:** ![FatSprinter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/fatsprinter/32/5801_2.png) [@FatSprinter](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/FatSprinter)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/7 "2021-06-24T10:29:40Z")
Good luck with the test. I must admit the last week of hard training coincided with good weather here in Belgium so I tried transferring the workouts outside, with mixed success. Good lucking with your next 4DP ---
**Author:** ![FatSprinter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/fatsprinter/32/5801_2.png) [@FatSprinter](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/FatSprinter)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/8 "2021-06-24T10:41:25Z")
Thank you for the article Coach. Very pertinent to the thoughts going through my head. I was wondering when my plateau would appear and I think I am nearish to that. Having said that my last block of training was hampered by a crazy period of time at work and some time recovering from my first covid vaccine and some sunshine (rare in Belgium) which tempted me to try and transpose my sessions outside (but without power meter!!). I did do the Full Monty mid programme where a Half Monty was planned thinking I needed to get my full 4DP profile to make best gains in the second half of the programme. Hence why I’ve done 5 this year. Is this beneficial, or counter productive?? As I presume it takes longer to recover from a full monty?? I know rest is often as important as the training! Would it be better doing half monty at the mid point even if it doesn’t give all 4 parameters? I only ask as the full monty is so challenging. I found the last one difficult to pace where I nailed the pace on all the others. I also brought my full monty forward from Sunday to Wednesday as I am having my second vaccination Friday and knew I would not be up to 4DP testing two days after, so was not properly tapered. In my experience, you have to follow the plan to to the letter including resting and taper to be able to “peak” for the test. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Grm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/grm/32/6320_2.png) [@Grm](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Grm)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/9 "2021-06-24T11:38:43Z")
None here as yet. I’m just planning on working from my FTP for the next couple of months then when the weather turns I’ll go for the 4DP and follow a plan. For now I’ll get in as many rides as I can outdoors and drop in a few SF sessions when weather/time doesn’t allow. I’m looking forward to doing the 4DP test in a masochistic kinda way 😬 ---
**Author:** ![Mowag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@Mowag](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Mowag)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/10 "2021-06-24T12:25:25Z")
This Year: 0 Last Year: 0 First Year: 2 Reason being: My gut (yeah well, together with intervals.icu, wko5 (couldn’t resist to trial it) and xert) gives me a fair enough estimate of my FTP and 5minute power. All methods (including FF) are within +/- 5 watts. Maybe I’m just lucky that my physiology is completely average and all methods seem to work for me. And what’s with 1min power and 10sec power? To be fair, the 1min effort in FF is quite unique, but why exactly do you need it? The AC und NM intervals are mostly allout-ish efforts in level mode anyway (the trick, shovel etc …) Ready to get schooled 😛 ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/11 "2021-06-24T13:15:47Z")
@Grm You may want to try it as a workout just to take a peek and know what is coming. It would better prepare you for when you are ready. Below is a thread where @Heretic makes the suggestion after he had issues with his 1st attempt. I think we all struggle with it the 1st time (and often the 2nd and 3rd …) and so the suggestion makes a lot of sense. > [@The story of failed Full Frontal - aka fatigue sets in](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/the-story-of-failed-full-frontal-aka-fatigue-sets-in/9124/4): > > May I make a suggestion? It is sort of a Cognitive Behavioral approach to FF. Next time you do FF, do not try to crush it. Just ride it with a 90-95% effort and allow yourself the possibility of failure. Keep doing FF in that manner until you feel comfortable, and then you can up the effort. The very first time I did FF (as part of my free trial), I pushed too hard, and got really angry when during the MAP session the words to the effect of “you should try harder” came on the screen. I stoppe… ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/12 "2021-06-24T13:23:25Z")
@FatSprinter I have done something similar when I had other commitments and the scheduling didn’t work. I have been able to test successfully after 3 days of light activity and low overall stress, increased hydration and solid sleep. It is always best to follow the plan but there are certainly workarounds when you need them. ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 1:23pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/13 "2021-06-24T13:23:46Z")
Doing a Full Frontal is definitely valuable however it causes more fatigue too so Half Monty is a happy medium to update 2/4 of your values without going all out. If you think you will see a big change it is worth doing the FF otherwise stick to HM 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Erik-KOS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/erik-kos/32/5320_2.png) [@Erik-KOS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Erik-KOS)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/14 "2021-06-24T15:15:45Z")
This year: 4 FF attempts, 2 completions (twice I did not have it in me/not enough sleep/recovery etc), also two HM Total: 23 completions ---
**Author:** ![FatSprinter](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/fatsprinter/32/5801_2.png) [@FatSprinter](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/FatSprinter)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/15 "2021-06-24T19:32:33Z")
Total of 23 completions. That is some suffering and commitment to the cause over a number of years. Well done, ---
**Author:** ![devolikewhoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ba9def/32.png) [@devolikewhoa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/devolikewhoa)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/16 "2021-06-24T22:42:37Z")
4 FF total, one this year. If I have been working mostly endurance and FTP, I often will just test those. I do the FF in three circumstances: 1. About to start an indoor block 2. About to start an intense, above-FTP block where power targets will be useful 3. Periodically to test the impact of training, even during or after a block of working just endurance, tempo and threshold. You’d be surprised that the low intensity work can lead to gains at every duration (except maybe NM) ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Brian\_M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/sir_brian_m/32/268_2.png) [@Sir\_Brian\_M](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Sir_Brian_M)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:01pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/17 "2021-06-25T12:01:32Z")
I’ve done FF 15 times. A few of those were DNF, when I botched the test. HM has been very helpful to help set my targets after vacationing in the land of couches. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Brian\_M](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/sir_brian_m/32/268_2.png) [@Sir\_Brian\_M](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Sir_Brian_M)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/18 "2021-06-25T12:25:12Z")
> [@Mowag](#): > > And what’s with 1min power and 10sec power? To be fair, the 1min effort in FF is quite unique, but why exactly do you need it? The AC und NM intervals are mostly allout-ish efforts in level mode anyway (the trick, shovel etc …) These are helpful for ERG mode, which I use for most of my workouts. If those are too high, I can’t complete the intervals.And if I can’t complete the intervals, I get really moody, and start hunting for the nearest flogging station. So it’s helpful to me if I have a victorious mindset reinforced by successful workouts rather than feeling like a failure after being defeated by targets that aren’t realistic. ---
**Author:** ![Heretic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/heretic/32/2329_2.png) [@Heretic](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Heretic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:28pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/19 "2021-06-25T13:28:07Z")
The 1 minute power is a measure of how well you recover from repeated efforts, it is not a real measure of your 1 minute power. ---
**Author:** ![ErickT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/erickt/32/7168_2.png) [@ErickT](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/ErickT)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502/20 "2021-06-25T13:39:10Z")
FF This year: 1 (Post TOS) Remaining planned for this year: 2 Total: 10 HM This year: 1 (Mid plan) Remaining planned for this year: 1 Total: 3 [Next page](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/how-many-4dps-have-you-done/10502.md?page=2)