# šŸš€šŸš€šŸš€ New Knowledge Episode: Adding Strength Training to your Endurance Plan šŸš€šŸš€šŸš€ **URL:** \ **Category:** The Knowledge Podcast\ **Created:** [October 24, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282 "2021-10-24T22:30:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![David.McQuillen.KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/david.mcquillen.kos/32/6594_2.png) [@David.McQuillen.KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/David.McQuillen.KoS)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/1 "2021-10-24T22:30:57Z")
In this episode, our Sports Science Head [Neal Henderson](https://www.facebook.com/groups/899503923407488/user/1214302031/? __cft__ %5B0%5D=AZUIRKucec6E2GaGtKF4HS3oBn4QCSzwc77gta5mdTcImMPtC7MgKUkj51ChI-9b_JmENPFz3S9KgDbc3o2MYjB76hHFANrC0CvTxp_Eh1ux1bZ3OJXHDK55erAhHl31uWjQZvjNw9CQIC8-wIAnjgkc& __tn__ =-%5DK-R) and Director of Applied Research [Jinger Gottschall](https://www.facebook.com/groups/899503923407488/user/100028788483130/? __cft__ %5B0%5D=AZUIRKucec6E2GaGtKF4HS3oBn4QCSzwc77gta5mdTcImMPtC7MgKUkj51ChI-9b_JmENPFz3S9KgDbc3o2MYjB76hHFANrC0CvTxp_Eh1ux1bZ3OJXHDK55erAhHl31uWjQZvjNw9CQIC8-wIAnjgkc& __tn__ =-%5DK-R) get you pumped up and discuss how to properly add strength training to your endurance training plan. Youā€™ll learn how strength work can not only help you become more powerful but also reduce the risk of injury and add flexibility. Integrating strength is a delicate process, though, so Neal and Jinger explain how to properly incorporate strength workouts into your routine without overdoing it or compromising your other trainingā€¦and without ending up looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger (which wouldnā€™t be great for your climbing šŸ˜). And all in just 16 minutes! Listen here and then discuss below: [https://the-knowledge-by-wahoo-sports-science.simplecast.com/episodes/adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan](https://the-knowledge-by-wahoo-sports-science.simplecast.com/episodes/adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan) ---
**Author:** ![David.McQuillen.KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/david.mcquillen.kos/32/6594_2.png) [@David.McQuillen.KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/David.McQuillen.KoS)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/2 "2021-10-24T22:31:09Z")
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**Author:** ![erfortunecabrera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/erfortunecabrera/32/5769_2.png) [@erfortunecabrera](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/erfortunecabrera)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 11:02pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/3 "2021-10-24T23:02:17Z")
Great episode - I listened to both the strength training episodes and learned a lot. Iā€™ve been a runner/cyclist for the past 10+ years and only just began last year doing strength training (KBs, sandbags, DBs, bodyweight) and thanks to SYSTM Iā€™m learning how a little can go a long way when being a stronger cyclist & runner are my priorities. Thanks all, keep up the great work. ---
**Author:** ![Heretic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/heretic/32/2329_2.png) [@Heretic](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Heretic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/4 "2021-10-24T23:15:25Z")
I listened to and liked that episode as well. It would be interesting to hear how to mix strength and yoga together. In some ways they are complementary, but in other ways they are not. For example, yoga sometimes stresses the same body parts that strength training does which does not give those parts the recovery they need. ---
**Author:** ![Eddie.RogersTKP](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/eddie.rogerstkp/32/10298_2.png) [@Eddie.RogersTKP](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Eddie.RogersTKP)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 2:14am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/5 "2021-10-25T02:14:47Z")
Good point, we are working on some yoga and strength episodes as we speak so stay tuned! You are on the same wavelength. šŸ§˜ ---
**Author:** ![AlexEllermann](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/alexellermann/32/10972_2.png) [@AlexEllermann](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/AlexEllermann)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/6 "2021-10-25T16:17:12Z")
For older riders, thereā€™s another benefit of strength training that makes it important on and off the bike. After age 30, we begin to lose 3-5% of muscle mass per decade. We need that mass, not just for vanity, but for so many other reasons. Every older athlete, cyclist or not, should consider strength training a vital part of a given fitness regime. ---
**Author:** ![coach.jinger.g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@coach.jinger.g](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/coach.jinger.g)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 7:50pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/7 "2021-10-25T19:50:46Z")
YAY!! This is our primary goal- to help you improve the quality of your training and reach your goals safely. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![coach.jinger.g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@coach.jinger.g](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/coach.jinger.g)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/8 "2021-10-25T19:52:42Z")
Important point! Yoga is a generic terms and multiple forms of yoga are absolutely strength training sessions- bottom line- it is critical to understand the goal of each session in order to classify it accordingly in your training program. We will definitely add this as a future topic! ---
**Author:** ![coach.jinger.g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@coach.jinger.g](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/coach.jinger.g)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/9 "2021-10-25T19:54:18Z")
Great point Alex! One of the primary missions of our national fitness councils is increasing strength training participation between 2020-2030ā€¦ you have your finger on the pulse! ---
**Author:** ![Imminent](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/imminent/32/6702_2.png) [@Imminent](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Imminent)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/10 "2021-10-26T09:20:24Z")
Loved the part where you mention the three common ā€˜excusesā€™ not to do strength training, then debunk them. Great format to reset any preconceived notions that listeners might have. ---
**Author:** ![andrewmei](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/andrewmei/32/7859_2.png) [@andrewmei](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/andrewmei)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/11 "2021-10-29T13:53:25Z")
Good podcast - usually do cadence builds / drills / recovery spin etc as warm up before strength session - should I really be separating the 2 out? ---
**Author:** ![David.McQuillen.KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/david.mcquillen.kos/32/6594_2.png) [@David.McQuillen.KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/David.McQuillen.KoS)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/12 "2021-10-29T22:21:53Z")
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**Author:** ![Eric](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/eric/32/21360_2.png) [@Eric](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Eric)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/13 "2021-10-30T13:51:53Z")
Why do I get this when I click the link to listen to the ā€œAdding strength trainingā€? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/d/ddc63e84bccd3a8fee56e002d5c463381f351419.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![David.McQuillen.KoS](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/david.mcquillen.kos/32/6594_2.png) [@David.McQuillen.KoS](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/David.McQuillen.KoS)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/15 "2021-10-31T22:57:14Z")
> [@Eric](#): > > Why do I get this when I click the link to listen to the ā€œAdding strength trainingā€? Not sure! Links seems to be working ok for me. ---
**Author:** ![coach.jinger.g](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ea924/32.png) [@coach.jinger.g](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/coach.jinger.g)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/16 "2021-11-01T13:14:54Z")
Sorry for the delay @andrewmei! I love your sequence of cadence builds/drills/recovery spin before the strength session. These options are not too taxing and ensure that you are warmed up- ready to maximize range of motion for your strength exercises. ---
**Author:** ![devolikewhoa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ba9def/32.png) [@devolikewhoa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/devolikewhoa)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 11:53am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/17 "2021-11-03T11:53:05Z")
Iā€™d be interested to learn more about how people integrate SUF style strength with more traditional barbell work. Like for example, Iā€™ve found that core strength and things like push-ups improve my mountain biking, and from past experience, that benching helps me do more push-ups (plus itā€™s fun to mix things up). So what Iā€™m doing right now is one day a week full-body split in the gym (deadlift or squat, bench press, front squat or Romanian deadlift, a back pull variation, dumbbell shoulder press), one day a week of the SYSTM full body (11 or 12 but working up, and one or two days core focus. I started around 10 to 12 rep range in the gym but am moving to 5 to 6. When we get closer to season, SUF day will switch to dynamic focus. But curious the other options. ---
**Author:** ![ivo\_van\_der\_Aa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/ivo_van_der_aa/32/5704_2.png) [@ivo\_van\_der\_Aa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/ivo_van_der_Aa)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 12:24pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/18 "2021-11-16T12:24:18Z")
Hi coach Jinger, I find that in my plan, most of the time the strenght sessions are placed before the cadence sessions. Thats why I always take them in that order. Sometimes I even see notes ā€œafter strenghtā€ on the cycling workouts. This in combination with your comment and the podcast confuse me a bit. Also Iā€™d like some pointers on what kind of warmup I should do before the strenght workouts in the description. Just switching the order around, would probably be better for me šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/19 "2021-11-16T17:11:12Z")
@devolikewhoa I did DL and FS last year during the offseason along with some upper body. I found it a bit too challenging and have decided to just do body weight and KB squats and then mix in the upper body lifts like BP, seated military press (low ceilings in the basement) and some cleans during the days when I have strength scheduled. Before the pandemic I was doing CrossFit and OLY and it definitely helped but I feel the targeted bike work is better overall for MTB. I should probably keep experimenting and I also need to slowly work back to where I was pre-pandemic. ---
**Author:** ![TTDragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/ttdragon/32/11633_2.png) [@TTDragon](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/TTDragon)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/20 "2022-02-01T17:33:33Z")
Iā€™m listening to this podcast again, and I love the advice and discussion between @coach.jinger.g and @Coach.Neal.H but Iā€™m also a bit confused as to the order/timing of some of the sessions in a plan. The podcast says to ideally separate strength from endurance work by 4+ hours. I presume this is Endurance in an endurance sport sense, rather than specifically zone 2 work? And when strength is on the plan with cadence builds is this is use cadence builds as a warm up so before strength work, or straight afterward to go along with the neuromuscular work being done, or to separate out by 4+ hours? Or is this all overthinking it and for this combination it doesnā€™t matter so much? ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/new-knowledge-episode-adding-strength-training-to-your-endurance-plan/13282/21 "2022-02-01T18:03:53Z")
@TTDragon My understanding was not to do HIIT work and strength in the same day. Otherwise the 4+ hour gap applies except for strength type bike workouts like power station which can be done at the same time as strength.