# Simulation in SYSTM for Windows
**URL:** https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883
**Category:** SYSTM Software
**Created:** [April 5, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883 "2025-04-05T18:54:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@Salsa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Salsa)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 6:54pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/1 "2025-04-05T18:54:58Z")
I was just reminded in one of the emails that I get from Wahoo about the capability to do simulated rides using the SYSTM or Wahoo apps, i.e., using a phone or tablet to sync with a Kickr. However, it seems that this cannot be done from SYSTM for Windows. Although I can find all my outdoor rides under Progress/History Beta, when clicking on the three dots at the right of an activity there is no option to “Create a route” as there is if you view the activity in the Wahoo app on a mobile device.
Is this the current state of the technology?
I use my laptop and SYSTM for Windows for workouts, so if anyone knows how to do this, I’d love to hear about it.
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### Author:  [@RServranckx](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/RServranckx)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/2 "2025-04-05T19:24:30Z")
It’s in the Wahoo app, not SYSTM. See my post about it here:
> [@Indoor Route Simulations in the Wahoo App](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/indoor-route-simulations-in-the-wahoo-app/28882):
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> For those who might have missed the announcement or the Wahoo marketing email, a new route simulator was added in the Wahoo App for indoor training… [https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/25228373373458-Indoor-route-simulation-in-the-Wahoo-app](https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/25228373373458-Indoor-route-simulation-in-the-Wahoo-app) This feature is available for anyone with a smart trainer who has an active Wahoo X subscription. The feature, available under the Plan → My Routes and Plan → Routes by Wahoo in the Wahoo App (not SYSTM!) allows you to select a route, and ri…
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### Author:  [@Salsa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Salsa)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/3 "2025-04-05T20:10:27Z")
Thanks for pointing these out. I have read them but was, perhaps naively, hoping that someone had figured at a way to make it work in SYSTM. Seems strange not to.
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### Author:  [@RServranckx](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/RServranckx)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 8:22pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/4 "2025-04-05T20:22:38Z")
> [@Salsa](#):
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> Seems strange not to.
Seems to be par for the course these months…
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### Author:  [@Mecons](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Mecons)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 9:08pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/5 "2025-04-05T21:08:39Z")
If I have an outdoor ride saved in SYSTM is there a way of bringing it up on the Wahoo App? I used my ROAM for the ride so I could also have it on the Elemt App.
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### Author:  [@RServranckx](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/RServranckx)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 9:29pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/6 "2025-04-05T21:29:06Z")
I believe that you need something like RideWithGPS, Strava, or other apps that allow you to create routes. You can typically create a route from a real ride, and if your Wahoo account is linked to the 3rd party app, it’ll show up in the Wahoo ecosystem (ELEMNT app included). Check the Wahoo doc on this.
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### Author:  [@Mecons](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Mecons)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/7 "2025-04-05T22:54:07Z")
Thanks. I think you do need the third party App to save the route. Unfortunate.
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### Author:  [@RServranckx](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/RServranckx)
#### Post date: [April 5, 2025, 10:58pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/8 "2025-04-05T22:58:22Z")
You can use a free Strava account to do this via the web site… Or use one of many other options.
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### Author:  [@Salsa](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Salsa)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/10 "2025-04-06T14:06:42Z")
I’ve only been using a Roam for the last year and have been slow to pick up on all its capabilities. But I think that you are correct; the indoor route simulation has been on the Bolt and Roam cycle computers for a while and doesn’t require an active SYSTM subscription. Just find an outdoor activity in the History page of the Wahoo or Elemnt app, tap on an activity to open it and then tap on the three dots at the top right; there should be an option to create a route on the menu that appears.
To use a saved route on a Kickr, go the the Plan page of the Wahoo app. There should be an option at the top of the page for “My routes.” The Plan page also shows options for SYSTM workouts and some Wahoo simulations. Seems obvious that you would need a subscription to use the SYSTM workouts but I’m not sure about the simulations.
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### Author:  [@Mecons](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Mecons)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/12 "2025-04-06T17:26:38Z")
Thanks. Great instructions. I found a race that I am doing again this year and will do the simulation as soon as I can. Had I not just done a 2 hour ride this morning I would be doing it now 😊.
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### Author:  [@Glen.Coutts](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Glen.Coutts)
#### Post date: [April 6, 2025, 6:17pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/13 "2025-04-06T18:17:37Z")
If your outdoor ride is saved in the History Beta (just called History in the Wahoo App), then you can turn that ride into a route from the Wahoo App and then do a sim of it indoors.
According to [The Company support site](https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/25232427067410-Indoor-route-simulation-in-the-Wahoo-app): “Sync a route from a third party app/service, import a route from a file, or create a route from a completed activity in your activity history.”
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### Author:  [@emacdoug](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/emacdoug)
#### Post date: [April 8, 2025, 10:09pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/simulation-in-systm-for-windows/28883/14 "2025-04-08T22:09:56Z")
Almost all the routes I have created and saved were created to use for simulation in RGT. So, will be interesting to try them out in May once I get past my current shenannigans.