# Subthreshold with surges 4x8 nerfed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Created:** [April 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/subthreshold-with-surges-4x8-nerfed/22354 "2023-04-01T17:19:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alopezor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@alopezor](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/alopezor)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/subthreshold-with-surges-4x8-nerfed/22354/1 "2023-04-01T17:19:42Z")
I did this workout for the second time today. A year ago when it first appeared in my plan the 10-min recoveries between sets were at 60% or so of FTP. Today the recoveries were at 45%. I found the old workout better since 10 minutes should be enough to recover at 60% FTP, with the new easier recovery I felt I was wasting my time since I didn’t need that much recovery at a very low power setting. Can the coaches provide some explanation on why the recovery sections were modified? ---
**Author:** ![WahooCoach\_Corey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/wahoocoach_corey/32/9174_2.png) [@WahooCoach\_Corey](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/WahooCoach_Corey)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/subthreshold-with-surges-4x8-nerfed/22354/2 "2023-04-06T02:37:29Z")
I checked in with Sir Neal, and this workout to the best of his knowledge has not been altered. Sir Neal says, “_Whether it’s 30% FTP or 60% FTP isn’t much different…as the key is the quality of the 8-minute efforts._ _If they want additional challenge just do the first 2 minutes of the recovery at 45% FTP and then fast forward to start the next interval._” And Sir Mac also chimed in with, “_They could also try doing the session in Level mode if they want a more challenging experience 🙂_” So there you have it, suffer on Sufferlandrian 💪