# What is the best plan to follow over the winter? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 6, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461 "2020-12-06T22:48:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MG82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MG82](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/MG82)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/1 "2020-12-06T22:48:23Z")
Hi all, I was wondering what the best plan to follow over the winter months? Obviously need to focus on strength work but also commence ‘base’ phase of training etc ---
**Author:** ![JSampson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/jsampson/32/3148_2.png) [@JSampson](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/JSampson)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/2 "2020-12-06T23:44:28Z")
Hi - there was a similar question a few weeks ago that might be helpful to you. > [@Choosing the right plans for this winter](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/choosing-the-right-plans-for-this-winter/5109/2): > > Hey @Nicola, i think this could be. great place to start for you: Then you can checkout your 4DP profile and see where you want to go from there. I would say the al purpose plan would be beneficial to you as this is also tailored to your rider type. Here is some more background reading for you too: ---
**Author:** ![durandal](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/durandal/32/1846_2.png) [@durandal](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/durandal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 10:37am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/3 "2020-12-07T10:37:42Z")
> commence base phase ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thesufferfest/original/2X/4/4e94185b63fdf3046f3fe2e31df14f1f20cb795a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 11:00am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/4 "2020-12-07T11:00:30Z")
Hey @MG82, Depending on where you are with your training, I recommend you check out our transitions plans. Also, you may find this article useful: > **[Why You Don't Need To Do 'Base' Training](https://thesufferfest.com/blogs/training-resources/dropping-lsd-why-base-training-doesnt-make-sense-for-time-crunched-athletes)** > > Winter is a glorious season. Lava snow covers the slopes and peaks of Mount Sufferlandria, reflecting the glow from the occasional volcanic eruption. Turbo trainers are dusted off, paincaves spruced up, and talk turns to that age-old winter... ---
**Author:** ![MG82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MG82](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/MG82)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/5 "2020-12-07T14:17:30Z")
Hi Rupert, Thanks fro the message. I am doing 2 x strength sessions per week at mo (on the 12 week strength intermediate) and just doing some general road and turbo sessions on the bike. I have my main Sportive in early July (Le Etape Du Tour De France) and will have a tailored plan for that starting 12 weeks out. So, for winter i would like a plan to follow that is equivalent to ‘base’ miles and also to concentrate on my weakness (sustained). Last year i just completed ‘general road’ over the winter. So any advise / help would be much appreciated!! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![MG82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MG82](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/MG82)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/6 "2020-12-07T14:31:35Z")
@Rupert ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2020, 2:50pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/7 "2020-12-07T14:50:36Z")
Getting a structured training plan will definitely help and the all-purpose road is a good one. I recommend you do the ramp-up transition plan to get you back into structured training. ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/9 "2020-12-09T18:12:07Z")
Interesting that the all-purpose indoor/outdoor program doesn’t include a strength option. Could you explain the logic? ---
**Author:** ![MG82](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MG82](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/MG82)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/10 "2020-12-09T20:35:00Z")
You just run a separate strength plan over winter ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/11 "2020-12-10T09:48:37Z")
Hi Dave, Sorry that we don’t have them integrated! it is on our radar as something to do, we have been busy focusing on the new inspiration videos and getting them integrated into the plans too. It is on our radar however of things we need to update. You can load the strength training up separately from the cross training section. ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:05pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/12 "2020-12-10T12:05:22Z")
OK That makes sense. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Peteski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@Peteski](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Peteski)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/13 "2020-12-10T12:20:15Z")
I noticed that too. The problem with loading strength training separately is that it’s not in sync with your bike sessions, so you end up with hard bike workouts on the same days as strength work. ---
**Author:** ![Peteski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@Peteski](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Peteski)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 12:33pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/14 "2020-12-10T12:33:18Z")
Hey MG, I’m also training for the L’Etape. Hope it doesn’t get postponed again! I’m not bothering with a traditional base plan for the reasons outlined in the SUF article linked earlier. Instead I’m a month into the advanced All-Purpose Road plan with Integrated strength and yoga. I’m finding it more time efficient and effective in moving my fitness forward. Although I did already have a decent base level of fitness to start off with having trained consistently for over a year. ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/15 "2020-12-10T15:01:34Z")
I think I’ll just do the inside one - but ‘convert’ a few sessions to outside. Enjoy the Etape - cracking event. I guess you already have your pen number etc ---
**Author:** ![Peteski](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@Peteski](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Peteski)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/16 "2020-12-10T21:37:15Z")
Cheers! I have an entry carried over from this year’s cancelled event. No pen number yet though. Really looking forward to it after waiting so long! I also chose the indoor plan with strength and yoga and will sub some weekend sessions with outdoor and Zwift group rides with friends. ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/17 "2020-12-11T15:13:42Z")
I did it in 2017 - great event. You’ll love it 👍 ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/18 "2020-12-11T16:21:30Z")
Thx again for the info. Most plans I’ve followed before go through phases: Muscular Endurance Sweet Spot FTP VO2 Max ie progressively getting higher intensity By contrast the All-Purpose Road doesn’t seem to follow an obvious progression. It might be that I’m just not that familiar with the Sufferfest sessions. So … is there an explanation of the All-Purpose Road structure? ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/19 "2020-12-11T17:09:39Z")
Hey Dave, On the Sufferfest plans, we use structured training of either 2:1 week ratios on novice and intermediate or 3:1 on our advanced plans. The plan is also tailored to your rider weakness based on your 4DP profile. So with the all purpose plan, you will be working on all aspects of your 4DP but with a little bit more on your weakness and this will be the structure for 2:1 or 3:1 (with a Half Monty test halfway for good measure) throughout the 12 weeks. Keep up the hard work and trust the plan 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DaveM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/davem/32/2563_2.png) [@DaveM](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/DaveM)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/21 "2020-12-11T20:14:54Z")
OK so the focus of the 3/4 week waves don’t change through the plan ---
**Author:** ![Rupert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/rupert/32/22303_2.png) [@Rupert](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/u/Rupert)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461/22 "2020-12-14T09:50:38Z")
Hey Dave, we don’t believe the switch in focus you referred to above to be effective so we keep the focus on the same aspect over the course of the 12 weeks in order to maximise your gains 🙂 [Next page](https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/what-is-the-best-plan-to-follow-over-the-winter/5461.md?page=2)