Calendar and plan design feedback

Hi, thank you for your comment.

It would also be convenient having the option to move the whole remaing workouts in the plan as block in the calendar in case someone has to skip one day or two for different reasons, rather than rescheduling plenty one by one.

I also submitted my post as requst to customer service. Here is the reply:

Janis D (Wahoo Fitness Support)

[Mar 8, 2022, 11:21 PM](calendar:T7:Mar 8, 2022, 11:21 PM) EST

Hello Tomasz and thank you for contacting us

I’m happy to help you with your questions. With the update to SYSTM all of the training plans were updated and the training plan “stepper” was brought in to the app.

If you go to Plans–>Cycling–> Events–>Road from there you can choose from the Hilly Gran Fondo plan, TT plan, century/metric century and from there you can choose the level and whether you want 2 or 3 week progression and whether you want to add yoga, strength and mental training. There is a lot more than “just one plan.” In fact there are many more options.

Because there are so many variations it’s not possible to maintain a “browsable list” of these plans. You can go through the stepper and preview any combination of plans without actually applying them to your calendar.

It’s different than what we had before and it takes some getting used to.

We still have the option of chatting with a coach to discuss your personal goals and fine tune your plan.
We track all of our feature requests for our developers so I can request having the option of being able to access some of the old plans. I can’t promise whether that request would be implemented though.

I hope that information is helpful for you. Please let me know if you have more questions.

Janis D, KoS
Customer Support Specialist
Wahoo Fitness

If you are part way (or even at the very start of) a plan, you can delete the plan and add it again with a new end date (say, 2 sayd after the current end date). This will leave your completed workouts untouched and shift everything forwards (or backwards, if you wish) as appropriate. This is the same functionality as in the old Sufferfest app.

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Yep. And when you add a plan and its start date is before the current date, workouts in that plan that would have been scheduled before the current date are not added to the plan, so you only see the workouts going forward.

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The calendar is very poor. It is a must have:
1- the ability to move around workouts just dragging and dropping them.
2-getting in there all workouts done fetched from ones strava activities no matter the app or outside workout.

The plans have huge problems. Please Wahoo consider:
1- Easy choice of weekly workout days and number of workouts and time available for each one. Its quite different to have 5 short (below 1h workout) spread along the week from having the m concentrated on the 2 or 3 hours available from monday to friday (weekends are for outdoor rides) and getting the workouts planned specifically on the available days.
2- setting the events/races we are working for and plann around them accordingly to the number of weeks available and the type of event and past workout history.

Ive been working around my calendar changing and moving or deleting workouts from plans every week but nothing seems suitable to make it a reliable plan for me. Its frustrating. This must be more individualy tailored accordingly to days and hours available and events planned and our previous workout history.
Thanks.

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Wondering if you might be better off using 4 week building blocks, than a 12 week plan. Or just do adhoc plans with 3 hard weeks, followed by an easy one.

I’d rather do adhoc myself, since life throws so many curveballs at me that I’ve yet to complete a 12 week plan. So I’ve given up on doing any plans that are that long.

This illustrates why the calendar is so bad and why systm needs to completely start over on the calendar. It’s useless, it might as well not be there at all and just show you your workout of the day and not bother with the future because if you have a life outside systm, future planned rides don’t have any certainty.

8 months ago Sufferrfest support told me that the new release (systm) would have a reworked calendar that would allow bulk calendar moves. The new systm release was a major disappointment and offered essentially no real changes in regards to the calendar. 6 months after systm was released and it amazes me that we’re still waiting for a useful calendar.

I should have the ability to pause or push my scheduled training forward x # of days, a week forward or whatever.

No matter how many requests/complaints about how the pathetic calendar takes away from the usability of systm, wahoo/systm ignore what it’s users have been asking for, for far over a year.

The only reason I use sufferfest/systm vs TrainerRoad is because it’s $5 cheaper per month (i could care less about the stupid sufferfest/systm videos) but the amount of time I waste durinig a 12 week plan, adding a plan deleting my training plan, re-adding, repeat, repeat… my time is worth more than $5/month. Every day I get closer to switching to TrainerRoad.

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It always takes longer to develop software than anticipated. They promised an Android app, which we now have. They promised workout history, which we now have. Both took much longer than expected. More changes are coming.

Personally I need the videos. I’ve used Trainer Road, and just staring at the next interval is mind-numbingly boring. I love the SUF humor. I guess I would have to in order to do 10 in a row.

Anyway, I’m sorry you find SYSTM to be such a disappointment. I’m certain they will address your concerns, but not as soon as you would like, obviously. I know that doesn’t help much.

I use Training Peaks for tracking and planning. I ride outside and also go to the gym. I’d love to see all my activities show up in SYSTM. I hear they are working on that too.

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There is a workaround for this. Delete your plan and re-add it with a new end date. And workouts you have done will remain on the calendar. Then delete any in the gap between today and the next x days. It’s not great, but does work.

Don’t apologize for systm, it’s obviously not your fault. I’d like to give them a chance to push out a calendar that is actually useful but it’s been almost a year since they promised a better calendar. I’d like some actual KPIs that show progress towards this calendar so I could at least have an idea if it’s worth wasting so much of my life scheduling and deleting my plan multiple times over the course of a 12 week plan.

As far as the sufferfest/systm videos, I don’t watch them at all. I always have something on like netflix, some sport like football, baseball, formula1, etc. All I need to see are the FTP and cadence targets. If it’s going to be another year before they can release an update with a calendar like what TrainerRoad has, then that’s too long for me to save $60 over the course of a year and I should move on.

The “workaround” for moving scheduled training around is entirely inadequate. It’s soo bad that I dread the thought of it when I get back from a vacation. If I’m gone for over a week, it’s not even remotely intuitive, trying to figure out what end/start date I should re-schedule the training plan so I can complete the next training session that I was previously scheduled for. I usually have to delete and re-schedule multiple times before I’m able to get the correct workout on the correct day again.

I’ve been shifting my training plans around, most recently this morning. I figured it out a while ago, and though I agree it could be easier, I don’t have much issue with the way it is. One thing I would like to see is the ability to add notes the calendar, so I can indicate where I have moved/substituted workouts or shifted plans.

Priority fixes for me are those that affect the UI during an activity. When sitting at my desk, it doesn’t matter much if it takes a few steps to move a training plan, but things get more difficult during a strenuous workout.

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That’s why I have both for now but someday soon i’ll let one of them of. I like more some system things like the videos (if youre doing that wo for the first time is nice) and the less predictable workouts (TR always seems to have workouts timed by the exact same amount of time series while System in many wo has a lot of different intensity types and different durations. System feels more like an outdoor grouo ride for me if you know what I mean). But TR has all that automatized data like trainow and easy setting a plan in the callendar and pushing all the other apps and outdoor rides to the calendar that I love and it makes me really hard to decide on wich to keep subscribing.

Frustrating to see no usefull criteria when assigning the workouts in a day.
First image a cycling WO between two yoga WO and giving the Yoga II before the I :thinking:

Next image getting the bike warm up after the high intensity bike WO and strenght training in the end :roll_eyes:

No alfabetic or by type of workout order at least.

Are these part of a Plan (I don’t see the label)? The coaches say that the order they show up is the intended order, although there are some quality control issues where the order is obviously wrong. They fix them when they are pointed out. For non-plan stuff, I don’t know what order things show up.

Those are manually added to my calendar workouts. Once the currently existing plans have no flexibility alowing to include my outdoor and other apps rides im picking a couple of bike WO based on the XCO plan and some strenght training.

All looks completly random :roll_eyes:

Yeah. I think the order is indeed random if you manually add the workouts. It’s probably based on some internal ID code that we users can’t see and that we don’t care about. Just do them in the order that makes sense to you. It would be nice if we could specify the order. Perhaps that will come when we drag and drop in the calendar.

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Is there a way to add a placeholder for an event on the calendar or a workaround to do so?

Not really. Although I guess you could pick a workout that, to you, stands for the event and out that in. But I don’t see how that would help anything.

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Yeah, not really ideal. I thought I would ask incase anyone had figured something out though.

That’s anothe must have. TRoad calendar is a dream. I wish system gets something similar. Importing all workouts done outdoor and in other apps and having some kind of logic and user friendly.

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These are things we are looking to implement as we continue to develop the app and take onboard user feedback. That way SYSTM can be a one stop app that shows all your training and progress, additionally we are looking to make it so that workouts can be exported to head units to be completed outdoors, as well as to RGT so riders can complete them on there.
It’s all in the pipeline, that pipeline just has a LOT in it at the moment, but thank you for your patience and continuing to use SYSTM

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