Why be hasty and cancel?
Spend some more time, the videos are basically the same. If you can use the mental training to get through an interval in Violator or Nine Hammers, you can certainly use it to get through the intros (which I do not like either). You can use it to ignore that generic name SYSTM.
You can always cancel in the future, but once you cancel you are probably gone forever.
Incidentally, I do know of one place where Mount Sufferlandria has not been eliminated.
There are many who use Sufferfest to train for triathlons. That being the case, adding more workouts for running and swimming is a good thing. As far as Sufferfest videos go, they haven’t removed a single workout. Instead they have added a new video, plus three new categories of cycling workouts: Pro Rides, On Location, and a Week With.
There are 20 new workouts/videos in these new categories alone, plus additional Inspiration videos and new No Vids as well. Let’s also not forget a rejuvenated and much improved Strength Training category and the Knowledge podcasts.
These are proof to me that The Sufferfest is alive and well, only now it’s part of a larger ecosystem. As I understand it, they are still working on a reimagined Passport, and statistics tracking. Also wins, and I can’t wait to see what they come up with.
@toddsdonald In general companies need to grow or they die. The landscape for training platforms and associated hardware is vastly different than it was five years ago and it will be vastly different in another five years - especially with well capitalized firms like Apple and Peleton making further inroads into the space.
Why not try connecting with the minions so that you can get yourself up and running and get on the platform again. We can all see that you belong here. Based on your comments it seems like you already know that you belong here too.
Given that Wahoo ‘only’ has 250+ employees it was a totally foolish plan to embark into bringing a watch to the market, a super competitive segment, that requires tons of SW development resources. Same resources would have been put to better use to grow the ecosystem that Wahoo was primarily dominating (indoor cycling and training).
All while we are still missing basic features like workout export to head units (while I can do that with TR or TP).
I mean I cannot imagine nobody at Wahoo is thinking, OMG what have we done…
I’ve been riding SYSTM since it came out and I feel it’s a big step in the right direction. I’ve been using Sufferfest since May when I bought a Wahoo Smart Bike. The bike was a huge improvement for me from my previous trainer and it allowed to set it up like my Pinarello. I installed the same saddle and pedals on the Wahoo as my road bike and after tweaking for awhile I have a similar feel on both bikes. Not being a long time Sufferfest user I feel they are good rides but many of the videos are only something to pass the time while riding, for me they aren’t inspiring.
A couple things I noticed since the upgrade to Systm; the smart bike runs much better, transitions are faster and smoother, the overall feel of the ride is better and the new videos by Michael Cotty are a real step up and ERG works really well on the. The classic climbs are great and the downhills are really cool with the fast turns, the adjustments to cadence, watts and grade makes it a much more realistic ride. I’ve really enjoyed the training programs for the last 16 weeks of training but the last week has really been so much better. Not having used the programs on another setup than the smart bike I can’t relate to some of the issues that others have commented on but I can say that the Wahoo Smart Bike and SYSTM aren’t perfect but it’s the best I’ve experienced and getting better. Riding outdoors in Colorado on a road bike is an incomparable experience, especially after working hard on a long climb and then having the exhilaration of a long downhill with views, turns and the wind rushing by you but if I’m riding indoors the Wahoo and SYSTM is a really enjoyable way to train. Keep on bringing more new rides and tweaking the system to make it even more realistic. One other comment is that I live at 6,700 ft so when some of the comments are about adjusting to altitude in France or Italy that are below or equal to my home i think it is pretty funny. Bob M.
I did think this when we released The Omnium…
I know I’m in a small minority here, but as someone who works 12 hour shifts (which often end up being 14 hours) on a four on four off rota, there is no capacity to create a plan which works round my work schedule
@ZenTurtle Seems like a lot of existing technology from the Element head unit was used in the watch. It isn’t an all things to all people product. For now it is targeted primary to triathletes and the multi sport handover is an interesting feature that hasn’t really been addressed well by other companies.
Additional cost but the opportunity to sign up to a coach-designed custom plan is there.
Which is probably my favorite workout.
Thanks Glen, good one 
and I actually did get tempted enough to go to the new home page, but then tried to login and look around in SYSTM, but got an oops we bonked error message. I’m assuming the tech behind the rebrand isn’t yet working.
Hmm… I already cancelled my paid subscription the day after the release and on 10/09 the month I had already paid for expired. When you say gone forever, does that mean all my profile and training history, settings 4dp tests and so on are gone? Thx
I have all the respect in the world for triathletes and Ironmen, etc. but I’m guessing they’re a small minority. In the past few decades I’ve only met one triathlete, but tons of cyclists. It seems goofy to rebrand and rebuild something for a minority. The fact that Sufferfest was geared for cyclists was a big attraction to me. Cyclists are a funny bunch, being squarely focused on disciplines that involve 2 wheels. Everything else is just a means to an end… Diet, Yoga, Strength, Jogging, etc. are only necessary evils to make us better cyclists lol. The “mental training” in Sufferfest was a testament to that. I doubt you’ll find that in a Peloton spin class.
Thanks. If I can’t get a training plan put together and figure out what I can use to cobble together the neat package Sufferfest was, I might try again out of desperation. I hope they’ll send out an email when the bulk of the tech issues are resolved. I can’t even login, so it doesn’t seem very promising at the moment.
As for companies growing or dying, I think they first should perfect what they have, otherwise by expanding they risk getting too diluted and will suffer, (no pun intended). Peloton is a spin class program and they do that well which is why they’re good at it. They’re so focused on spin class they totally ignore cyclists and the opportunity for incorporating Zwift or one of the other virtual training programs. They’ve got a exercise bike, all they would need to do is a little tweaking to make it a virtual smart trainer and tie in the monitor with a virtual simulator, but they’re just not interested. They do spin class. I’m not familiar with anything Apple offers.
It’s working fine for most and has a few issues for some. Just like the troubles you had getting started when you immigrated to Sufferlandria earlier this year, (and I remember them well) if you reach out to the minions they’ll get you sorted.
Rather than email them, you should submit a ticket so they can log the issues and track it to be sure no one is missed. You can do that here: https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Wouldn’t new workouts and videos, or improvements on strength be added to the old Sufferfest anyway, without rebranding it? Seems like that would be just maintenance.
Something worthwhile of an email announcement by the boss would’ve been perhaps a calendar that integrated with Google, apple and Microsoft calendars.
Something new and exciting, worth calling it an upgrade in an email, would be things like adding Android and iphone apps so you could take your workout outdoors.
A rebrand and sterilization of the software would’ve been better suited to a press release and banner across the top of the old URL… Or maybe a tombstone for a fictitious legendary character from Sufferfest with an R.I.P.
That’s just my opinion and opinions are like… Well, everyone’s got one.
I mean psychologically.
I would imagine your records stay in the database for no other reason than they can be used for analysis.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Seems so, but then they wouldn’t have an android app. And they wouldn’t have channels to filter the workouts.
Another reason for the rewrite.
Adding android. Sounds so simple. I can assure you as a software developer, that it would either require supporting two apps or rewriting the existing one to be cross-platform.
The rewrite is strategic because it sets a standard for supporting not just iOS, iPadOS and Android but also other platforms, like Windows, MacOS, Linux and hopefully also tvOS and ChromeTV down the road, all with a common code base.
You are correct, a rebrand could be rather simple to accomplish. This wasn’t just a rebrand, for the reasons I’ve stated.