Agree with the comments above that Apple TV is 3 channels. Works perfectly well on Zwift and RGT so no reason that it should not be available on Wahoo System/Sufferfest. Indeed certain Zwift rides will not allow you to join unless you add a heart rate monitor. I note from DC Rainmaker’s comments that a large number of Zwift users use Apple TV due to the low cost of the unit and simplicity of the set up. Also agree that if you are using Apple TV you will most likely be using a big TV for a decent experience.
Anyway does not matter as Wahoo / Sufferfest has been saying for years it is going to go to Apple TV and it has not. So I think we can just assume it will not happen as there is a cost associated and Wahoo is unlikely to want to pay that when it is cutting back.
Not that it matters to anyone, and no one should care, but just in case anyone from the company ever reads these pages I will cancel my Sufferfest subscription this year which I have had for 10 years. Time to move on.
It matters to GvA. You can never leave 
Also, are you planning to cancel because there’s no AppleTV app?
I have never seen that written. Sir David was on record in this forum before he left that it was not on the developer’s roadmap.
wahoo / SYSTM troubleshooting
What about AppleTV?
We do not currently have an Apple TV app but we do hope to develop one soon.
I don’t interpret that to be a positive indication that they will produce an Apple TV app. It’s all a bit vague and hand-wavy and non-commital.
“We do hope to develop one soon” is hardly that it is not on the road map.
I just don’t use it because it is a pain for me to use.
DC Rainmaker made this comment about SYSTM back at the end of 2011; “Now unfortunately, there’s no Apple TV support either at the moment, or planned. And while one can piddle about and argue as to whether you personally find that valuable, the simple reality is a crapton of Zwifters do – which is probably a pretty darn good indication that people find it useful. And unfortunately, as you’ll see in my testing in a moment, the act of getting content onto a larger screen leaves much to be desired in SYSTM.”
He also went on to talk about the forced upgrade of software/hardware at that time.
As a consequence of that change, I had to buy an Apple TV to keep RGT and SYSTM running. And since that date I virtually stopped using my laptop for SYSTM and rode RGT on Apple TV. So having that RGT subscription changed to Zwift I just don’t see when I will use Sufferfest even though I enjoy the workouts. I will just use the Workouts on Zwift. So maybe they are not as focussed as a 4DP, but I can 4DP test myself using Andy Coggan’s power charts and select workouts accordingly to focus on my weaknesses. That means I am using SYSTM for just the yoga and S&C videos. However, I have been doing them for 10 years so I know them by heart. There is no point in my paying for SYSTM as it will not be used. Would that be different if SYSTM was on AppleTV……maybe……probably.
The odd thing is I didn’t know that Apple TV would be so easy until the SYSTM upgrade that forced me to Apple TV for RGT.
I am just one person, so my view is not that relevant. However, that comment from DC Rainmaker is telling.
I get it man, and, your view is at least as relevant as DC’s I appreciate the details.
I’ve been a devout Sufferlandrian since late 2015 so not as long as you but I do remember pre-app downloads/DVDs, TR and even Kurt Kinetic’s integration of The Sufferfest. I did the 2016 ToS using the KK app.
In any case, I know many of the SUF workouts well too but just can’t bring myself to doing just the intervals while watching Zwift, or any sim for that matter and believe me I’ve done it several times. I used to arrange local club rides in Zwift and ran SYSTM/Suf in tandem to do the Suf workouts while my club did a banded group ride. I just can’t get into doing workouts in a sim. I’ve tried it on Rouvy, and FulGaz as well as Zwift and it’s just not my bag.
That said, I REALLY enjoy the sims. Especially for climbs or just doing longer endurance type rides or even a very occasional race.
Also, fwiw, when doing SYSTM vids, I almost 99.9 % of the time do it from my MacBook and airplay to my AppleTV and a big screen. I dim the MacBook screen and control the MacBook with a remote keyboard/mouse app from my phone. I also wear Bluetooth wireless earbuds and will sometimes listen to my own music (I’m looking at you Cadence Builds) while still getting the sound effects from SYSTM.
I’ve gotten so used to doing this that it doesn’t seem like much hassle at all though granted, there are a couple more steps than if I just wanna Zwift on the AppleTV.
@oldmannick I think you meant to type 2021. I remember DC Rainmaker writing that. I also note that every time he shows a workout on TrainerRoad it is on a laptop so I never really understood the double standard that he would use SYSTM more if it had Apple TV but yet is fine using TrainerRoad with a laptop. Probably has something to do with the lifetime price commitments that TR made a while back.
My guess is that an Apple TV version could be possible if the workout player is rebuilt. I believe that the current player actually dates back to the Sufferfest app and that they really need to solve much of their technical debt before they are able to move forward with an Apple TV app. I seem to recall a comment at some point in the forum that it was easy to make an Apple TV app but unfortunately it is also really easy to make a bad Apple TV app. Apple TV was actually a limiter for some of the features on RGT. I don’t know if that is the same for a platform like SYSTM.
Of course the other potential way to get Sufferfest workouts on Apple TV is if further partnership with Zwift makes it possible on their platform.
@Glen.Coutts In 2013 I was crushed in a rock fall, broke five vertebrae and had the worst possible knee injury you can have, a Schatzker vi. Told I would never ride again. In 2014 during a gap between series of operations. I did a sportive of first two stage of the TdF. I could not ride out of the saddle and only had limited use of one leg. It was a super hilly route in Yorkshire. I came down the descent of Holme Moss with eight guys who were all shattered. I sat on the front of the group and towed it for 35kms to Sheffield. Outriders kept the feed stations ready and open for me and the group. Two riders got in the broom wagon but I kept the group going. We made the time cut off with 30 seconds to spare. There was a team of physios for the event and one had stayed to help me. She worked on my back so that I could walk to my car as I was riding so twisted. My wife drove me back to London where I went back into hospital for my next operation on my knee. I had learnt how to suffer on a whole different level that weekend. Sufferfest helped me through the next few years. It was the yoga (I was constantly in pain from being twisted) and the S&C that were really key for me. Only later did the benefit of the ride videos really take effect. My FTP was kind of irrelevant as there was such a difference between my legs. It was Sufferfest that got me back to a level where I could compete again. It was during COVID (that is how long it took before I felt I could race again). Racing was allowed, limited by time and smaller group sizes etc. My aim was to finish in the group. Everyone watching seemed to know and a lot of people started cheering for me to hang in. Then with about seven minutes to go a hernia in my lower leg burst (hangover from compartment syndrome). My leg was very painful and I had to stop to stretch my foot which had cramp and loosen my shoe as it was swelling from the blood trapped in my lower leg. I got back on the bike and started chasing. Everyone started cheering like crazy. I knew I could make it back, I just had to suffer. I caught the peloton on the final lap just before the finishing straight as the sprint opened up for finish. I had done it, I finished my first race back in the group. That was suffering on a completely different level. I would never have got there without Sufferfest (and masses of medical help). Those S&C Videos and Yoga videos have a special place in my heart and I am incredibly grateful that I found them……but it is time to move one. Enjoy the ride my friend.
#waaaaaaaymorethanme 
nice comeback story! Well, you know where I’ll be if you change yer mind.
After waiting, and waiting for an Apple TV App I’ve decided to cancel my membership, Wahoo seems to have absolutely no interest in doing an App for AppleTV, and I presume they also no longer have an interest in their „members“, cutting RGT but (as far as I can see) not cutting the subscription, but if something as large as RGT gets added, wellllllll, it could cost more, but if it gets taken away? I do not know if Wahoo is in trouble financially, it seems to be, but not innovating and caring about your customers is not the right way to keep or even win new customers.
Thanks for the ride, shame you couldn’t keep on an upwards curve, goodbye.
And at 25 minutes - Chip yet again says that SYSM will be on Apple TV.
“it is coming”
“it is still coming”
If it is not “still coming”, maybe someone should tell the CEO to stop saying that it will be coming.
There is nothing more annoying than being told something will happen and then it does not.
It really does not matter for me as I have cancelled my membership, but I note that this issue is raised elsewhere on another thread and people elsewhere saying that they have not used SYSTM since RGT was closed due to lack of Apple TV, etc etc.
I would hate to think that SYSTM goes the same way as RGT.
As a recent immigrant to Sufferlandria, I sincerely hope that, should Wahoo decide to dispense with Systm, the original owners would make like Chip and take it back. I don’t know how realistic that is. What I do know is that I have no interest in cycling computer games.
He also mentioned that the current player is why there’s no Apple TV version. I fully expect an Apple TV version when the new player is ready for use. The problem is there are projects ahead of the new player that take priority. I’m hoping we don’t have this conversation again in a year though.
I would hope so too, but that did not happen with RGT. That was closed and the IP apparently lost forever. I am assuming that this was part of the Wahoo / Zwift agreement. Who knows…
@oldmannick In the DC Rainmaker interview Chip talks about it. They spent a lot of money investing in RGT but despite the large investment the user base failed to change. Coupled with reconnecting their partnership with Zwift they decided to close RGT and invest elsewhere.
My comment was related to what would happen in the worst case at SYSTM. I hope that SYSTM has met The Board’s expectation of user growth, as I assume that was an expensive acquisition for it. And I hope that the CEOs comment that SYSTM is different because that is coach and workout based holds true because so many people love it. But if numbers fall (post RGT) does that still stand? Was it outside of the Zwift / Wahoo agreement? I don’t know, but I would assume and hope so. The CEO sounds committed to it, but said he was committed to RGT in the past and has said that he is bringing SYSTM to Apple TV. Who knows? However, what I do know is that the most popular ride on Zwift this morning (Jan 1) is a ‘Let’s get Moving’ workout which is ‘coached’ by Kirsten Armstrong with 400+ people signed up……and it is being re-run in the afternoon with around 300 people currently signed up……and again later with another 300 people signed up……and again in the evening with about 100. These user numbers are way more than other events on Zwift today. I don’t know how that fits in with the Friends/Enemies to Partner comments made by the CEO. Who knows.
@oldmannick As you probably saw in the interview, the issue with SYSTM playing on Apple TV is the workout player. The current player has not changed from the days of the Sufferfest platform and isn’t compatible with Apple TV.
The new player will likely have the capacity to add sensors for all workout types in the SYSTM library - cycling, running, strength, mobility, yoga. Right now only cycling is available. It will probably take some functionality from the newly released Wahoo App which now allows for setting of separate heart rate and power zones for different activities. Right now on SYSTM the only choice is cycling power and HR zones.
SYSTM is a training platform. Zwift dabbles in training and plans but its real focus is virtual riding and racing. They complement each other similar to the way that RGT and SYSTM complemented each other.
I have seen the “updated player” mentioned as an upcoming priority on this forum throughout the past year, but is there any public information with more specifics on timeline/rollout/features?