I eat better than properly!! After being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis nearly 7 years ago now where I could barely walk with ankle and foot issues they wanted to put me on a seriously dangerous immune suppressant drug. I did my research (what else from a character like me!) And decided not to take it but to self medicate with a diet and supplements to reduce my chronic inflammation (which is the main cause of many serious diseases included inflammatory Arthritis) to cut a long story short 7 years down the line I have no real joint issues that affect my motion or life, have not taken any meds in that time apart from for a headache now and then which is quite rare now when I used to get them on a weekly basis. last medical report from about two years ago stated that I no longer have clinical inflammation and my fitness figures speak for themselves. I used to eat what i wanted and never believed that I could affect your life, how wrong I was!! Now sleepā¦ that is a different matterā¦ I am a late owl I am afraid!!
Exactly this. Many discussions in the forums with similar responses. I will add that it has taken me two weeks to fully recover from my KoS on 11/4. Was going to roll into the test week plan and the body was just telling me āno, wait.ā Finally getting on it this week.
Yeah this could very well be a thing. I have similar (uninsulated basement w fan). Iāve had a couple of days recently where I donāt run the fan. Makes for a sweaty ride, but being warmer seemed to help me in the effortā¦
Correct me if I am wrong, but do you not normally go through a spate of upping your workouts by 3-5% intensity above FTP?
Could it be that you have just been overdoing it and it has caught up with you now?
Training at the set 4DP values and not upping workout intensity for whatever reasons has its value to train to the correct numbers.
Yes I have on a few occasions and recently TBH, no doubt that hasnāt helped either, Did it because I was feeling good and thought that I must have made some progress since June when I did my last and only 4DP. Should have waited until my next Half Monty which is scheduled for the 10th December to see where I stand
If you on a plan, stick with it. Trust the process. As well as the numbers given to you on your last test. Retest mid plan for updated numbers.
Doing more than is required will have an impact physiologically. It will bring more fatigue.
Feeling strong during a plan means the plan is working.
Akin to a parent stopping a childās medication during the course of medication as the child is now better. And then child gets sick again as the medicine was stopped and not continued through its duration.
Trust the Wahoo science.
I recall hearing a tagline in a recent podcast which struck true to me:
Amateurs train with fatigue in mind, Professionals train with recovery in mind.
@ozmadman Maybe try the 2:1 plan.
I would suggest listening to Getting Positive in the Mental Toughness series. Try not to get discouraged as the road ahead isnāt always smooth.
Do you use an HRV app? They arenāt perfect but might give you some insight into whether you are overly fatigued.
There are a few options - you could dial down for now and take a rest or you could try the next few and adjust on the fly based on how you feel.
Donāt you need a whoop band for HRV? Cannot afford another subscription
@ozmadman Nope - eg. Elite HRV is a free app and there are others. Generally you need to established a baseline but can be a reference point for overtraining.
But you do need something to monitor HRV though right? Or will any HRM do that?
Any recent HRM that you can pair to your phone is fine. I have an HRV app on my Garmin watch too (with hrm strap, the optical readings are useless at the best of times, I assume also no good for hrv).
Iāve had no joy with using hrv for anything, however. Some people seem to, personally not so much.
Not sure Iām following. Are you saying the Tickr2 would be suitable with the right app?
Correct. I have used a tickr, with the EliteHRV app, paired to my android via Bluetooth.
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now Iāll have to go and test this.
ithlete is another app. I think there is a subscription but has a free trial. I think.
I use Elite HRV app with my Tickr mk1. It works but the readings go screwy(spikes of 100+bpm on the preview) if the contacts are not properly wetted (a good lick is enough) and when the battery starts to die.
Blockquote My difficult area is in the evening, feet up watching the box and I tend to eat.
This means you arenāt eating enough during the day. Hereās a key indicator you arenāt eating enough: Body composion. If your body fat is below eight percent, you are in danger in your 60s. So, what to do? Eat high quality foods that are full of protein and fats. AVOID refined sugars. Itās a simple thing to do, but many of us fail to do it. One other thing to fill your meals with natural antioxidents. Coffee is full of them (black without all the junk) and dark chocolate (the higher the cocoa percentage the better to a point [80% is as high as you should realistically go}).
Also, recovery, not full on rest, is a great thing. The day after my āAā event, I went for a walk. Not a long one but enough to keep the fluids flowing and for me to get out and get some āfreshā air.
Iāve been using EliteHRV for about 10 years. Itās spot on when I need to take a break or my body is overwhelmed with life. The fun part is my Garmin Dual HRM has been playing up. But Iām looking at it as a tool in the toolbox and not everything. Looking at fatigue on TrainingPeaks helps too. Between the two, Iāve not had issues since I blew up after the 2022 El Tour de Tucson that I had to dig a lot to get out of the training hole I found myself in. As to the applicability to the current conversation: You need many tools in the toolbox. A food tracker helps as well.
For EliteHRV the TICKR isnāt supported anymore. I switched to a new HRM and found that the values were way different.