I know the name The Company thinks is “fun” is contentious. I certainly don’t consider myself one, though I am a fan of wahoo’s products.
Started this thread just to see how many people in this forum would actually call themselves a Wahooligan.
Perhaps this totally scientific poll will help 
I am a Knight of Sufferlandria. The suggested categories are all far too profane for me.
I only chose “Sufferlandrian” because because KoS wasn’t an option 
Hmmm 
, but you can’t be a KoS if you’re not a Sufferlandrian so…
true. but you also can’t be Bavarian if you’re not German and I’ll always say I’m Bavarian
also true. but if I added KoS to the poll, because I allowed up to 2 choices, it could skew the results of this otherwise totally scientific poll somewhat less clear
I did a HM today, and made it into the 13th level. No big deal as the FF underestimated my MAP.
However, I believe it was in the 12th ramp, or the 13th ramp, but there was something like praising me for being a Wahooligan. It is everywhere.
Oh for SUF’s sake! 
Edit: i gotta say though, I’ve never made it that far and just “watching” it to that point, I didnt see it.
I’m a Sufferlandrian, and I will be even if the current trend runs as strongly as some of us fear.
I will remain a Wahoo product user as I like their hardware, but I will never use that term nor wear any clothing that has it on.
I do, however, have loads of custom WahooX / Sufferlandria clothing and if they actually made that a full blown thing and leant into it, instead of away, then it’s something I’d fully buy into (as I’ve mostly had to make my own so far).
I’m with you, brother!
Do most people agree that they still would give their money to Wahoo for their hardware, given what they have done to Sufferfest?
I would, because the two are still separate things and their hardware product is what suits me best on the current market.
However, the difference is between an occasional consumer and a significant evangelist.
I would loudly sing the praises of Sufferfest and I have a LOT of Sufferfest clothing.
When Wahoo first took over and there was still a good degree of synergy, I have a bunch of WahooX items and would still talk openly about the products, and my Sufferfest enthusiasm led me to being a more vocal Wahoo hardware supporter also.
As Sufferfest content has declined, my interest in using SYSTM has done so also and the more it trends that way the less I want to talk openly about Sufferfest, about SYSTM and then by extension about Wahoo.
Over the last number of years you wouldn’t see me on a bike ride, in the gym, on a golf course or even simply out socially without something on me that was advertising Sufferfest/WahooX and I would be a real product evangelist, talking to people about both SYSTM and Wahoo and promoting them.
That is in decline now and if Sufferfest disappears then slowly so will my interest in wearing any of that kit and I will be a casual user of their hardware, but won’t be trying to sell it to anyone.
I doubt it’s big numbers, but I know of at least 3 SYSTM subscribers and I think maybe 15 Wahoo computer sales that have come directly from my recommendation. If even a percentage of other users were pushing similar then that is a significant amount of sales/free marketing to lose simply for not wanting to maintain a part of the video library.
I’ve said this before but I’ll say it here too, I am a fan of wahoo products by and large. Got a Kickr, a Climb, a Trackr HR, got a Roam v2, an ACE and now a Bolt v3. I have a Garmin Varia Radar RTL 510 that works fantastic but is holding its battery charge less and less and would, hands-down, get the new Wahoo Trackr Radar to replace it when it’s time. If I had the money, I’d get a Kickr Bike. If I had even more money and the space, I’d get a Kickr RUN.
I’ve also ALWAYS been impressed with Wahoo’s customer service for any hardware issues I may have had.
So, yeh, I’d give them my money, and, unlike Sir Jon, I’d still actively promote them, from a hardware side of things. I’d even where wahoo kit (just nothing with the wahooligan moniker)
However, I can no longer unreservedly recommend SYSTM to anyone cuz for me, the main attraction is the SUF vids. But, I LOVE that they’ve got their short mobility series and 15 minute yoga sessions with Abi von Agony, and, while it’s not my cup of tea, the Pro Rides and On Location vids offer another level of variety as do the A Week With Series (which I would like to see some more of) and the Inspiration films. But because my main motivation to use SYSTM is SUF, I cannot in good conscience recommend SYSTM to anyone given the wanton destruction they wreak upon the SUF vids they remaster and the crap job they did of their newest vid that can hardly be considered a SUF vid at all (yes it’s a tough workout, but it is missing all the things that make a SUF vid repeatable)
I have to get a new trainer, and I do not see sufficient difference between Wahoo and Tacx to buy from a company who clearly does not even want to engage with its customers of one of its products. Perhaps I am incorrect in my assumption, but if it is correct, I feel strongly about the conclusion.
The difference for me was that the Wahoo Trainer was compatible with the Climb. And for me, THAT made all the difference in the world. I do a LOT of climbing indoors and, while it seems really silly, the Kickr Climb was an actual game changer in engaging me in that activity. Since getting it, I have completed 3 full virtual Everestings (8848 metres+ of “elevation” gain), and bailed on one at around 7000 metres (cuz I bonked).
If I didn’t care about simulated climbing indoors (and being both physically and mentally engaged in that process) then I’d have probably gone with the Tacx Neo.
Yes, I had exactly that experience and ended up buying a Kickr Bike and moving the Kickr+Climb to a spare bike for the rest of the family to use.
To also clarify my previous point, if someone was asking what hardware to buy and I thought Wahoo was the right option I would definitely point them at it, I just wouldn’t be going out of my way to insert myself into a conversation where I heard someone was considering a new cycle computer to push Wahoo etc
I would still recommend Wahoo where asked, I just wouldn’t be looking for opportunities to promote just because…
I’ll be honest, I’m not sure it’s the upgrade that it could be…
I bought it because it was cheaper and more sensible to replicate my exact outdoor riding position than to do so on a Kickr (my outdoors bikes are NOT going on a trainer).
In ERG mode it’s brilliant and the Climb functionality is smooth as anything too. I have something that perfectly replicates my main bike.
However, the Climb feature actually feels a little less real, because you experience gradient change through your front wheel. It’s a subtle thing, but the Climb actually feels more real than the bike gradient for doing the same thing (and both are massively better than not having them).
Also, one thing I will always appreciate from Wahoo is that I bitched and moaned about wanting 13 speed options for the bike to replicate my Ekar race setup and they added it fairly promptly upon request. I love being able to replicate each of my wheelsets depending on what I want to train, but…
And it’s a big but…
The digital change of resistance for a gear change just doesn’t feel like a real gear change.
On a Kickr with a real cassette it feels amazingly natural when you’re pinging between gears.
On the bike there is far too much grab and release as it increases the resistance. A real bike doesn’t feel like someone has grabbed your rear wheel just because you’ve upshifted and while it’s a minor thing, if you’re sitting on a threshold effort that extra resistance, as minimal as it is, can be a killer and also stops you changing gear as often and organically as you would normally.
I still use the bike as my primary, mostly because a lot of my indoor riding is controlled efforts in ERG mode. I like to train indoors and ride outdoors, while I still jump into MyWoosh or similar every so often.
If I were buying a system to do primarily virtual riding (not ERG mode, just ride simulation) I think I would still take a real bike on a Kickr+Climb.
Interesting. I’m actually enjoying the virtual gears on the sims in Zwift and TPv. It’s 100% not the same as the feeling of changing real gears as that’s all I had for my vEverestings or for the vast majority of my indoor climbing but I’m digging it. Quite a bit actually. I recall a DCR review comparing the Climb to the Bike and his pointing out that Bike also lowers the rear so your body angle when climbing is much more like it would be on an outdoor bike vs the Climb where only the front gets raised.
Fascinating to hear your experience of it though so thanks for sharing. The irl likelihood of me getting the Kickr Bike is next to nil but I’ll still covet it and envy those that have em.
I really like my Kickr MOVE not just because of the side-to-side and the axis feet, but because of the fore-aft movement. It makes it feel so much more realistic, especially when standing. It allows the bike to move under me instead of me moving above the bike. Whenever my son engages the lock mechanism when I’m not looking and I get on to ride without that fore-aft movement, I definitely notice.
So, I would probably choose my Kickr MOVE over the Kickr Bike.
At some point I would love to also like to add the Climb, but I don’t have the money for it, and I prefer the movement of the MOVE over a fixed trainer without it.
So, I would definitely chose the Kickr MOVE over a Tacx, too.
In my brain - whether it’s reality or not - I have the Wahoo hardware and SYSTM software walled off. Whenver I have any comments or questions or issues with the Wahoo hardware, Wahoo customer support is awesome. But the same can’t be said of how SYSTM has been taken care of and how the the SYSTM software users have been treated and basically ignored.
When The Sufferfest was purchased it was basically allowed to run itself seperately. And the customer support was just as incredible. But ever since Sir David, Sir Francois, Sir Neal, and the whole original SUF team left (or were “asked” to leave or laid off), the SYSTM software has been neglected and The Sufferfest content abused. Like Wahoo turned over the SYSTM keys to a small team who don’t know how to take care of it. Still doesn’t feel like Wahoo as a whole are even paying attention to what’s happening to SYSTM. Like it’s been locked in the basement and only the janitor has the keys and has been asked to keep pushing a button keep it running. And maybe if we scream loud enough, someone will hear us and come unlock the basement and let us out.
Maybe that’s just some type of disassociation or cognitive dissonance. But that’s how my brain separates the Wahoo hardware and SYSTM software. I know different people take care of them. So I don’t blame the hardware engineers for messing up the SYSTM software. The hardware is awesome. And customer support is awesome. But either whoever is running SYSTM has been dealt a poor hand, or some kind of NDA keeps Wahoo from fully commenting on what their plans are for SYSTM and The Sufferfest, or worse. And someone, somewhere at Wahoo is in charge of them both and has chosen to let SYSTM and The Sufferfest, well, suffer. But I have a hard time being completely mad enough at all of Wahoo to stop using the hardware. 
Like others have said, I just promote it less than I used to.