cough @Glen.Coutts and @emacdoug cough
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TrainerRoad + Zwift for the past year. Love TR. and they’ve just made the pairing stronger this spring (riding TR workouts directly in Zwift).
Integrates well w intervals.icu too.
Still miss the old SUFF though. 
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Cap’n Sir Ian. Truth is, I’m not a creative. Sir Francois, and Sir David before him are artists. A SUF video is a work of art. The Model may be the most perfect case in point but they’re all works of art in one way or another and at the very least are labours of love.
It’s not just music, cycling content, a good workout, a few jokes and a couple of motivational prompts. But, that’s what we’re being left with with these “remaaters”.
These gems are being squandered at the hands of whoever is destroying them and wahoo is being complicit in the slow and painful death of the greatest mythical nation the world has ever known.
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One thing we can do as a minor protest for those who can’t leave, is don’t post publicly to Strava, or if you do, delete the title and image. We don’t have to keep providing free advertisement.
A solution for Wahoo?
I wonder if Wahoo has even considered SOLUTIONS. They have people who really want something they have, and they seem to have a money problem. Now, I don’t know how these licensing deals work, but I would think you should pay less for fewer users, so why not make a premium tier or subscription add-on, charge a little more, and provide all original Suff content to only those few who buy it? I don’t hear everyone complaining about money. I hear everyone complaining that their beloved content is no longer available, anywhere, in any way.
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But the beloved content isn’t so much the cycling footage, though I’ll always miss beating Coryn Labecki (Rivera). It’s the loss of the SUF stuff. The SUF humour. The perfectly timed prompts. The efforts that match the cycling content.
Rollercoaster has none of that. Power Station had ALL of it, now it’s got NONE of it. The jokes fall flat.
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Personally, I like consistency. Yes I also like the quality, and the two together are important for me. I’ve seen those audio/video cues 100 times (maybe literally, not far off) and that makes them better not worse. I smile knowing how much the next section will hurt and that I will get through it, and the cues help reinforce where I am in that and where I press, and when I get an endorphin release. I know I just have to go along with the beast in the red and white jersey for two more turns, and keep up with the grunge rock punishing music beat, and I’m home free. That consistency matters to me, just like consistency in the RELATIVE effort levels within thin air mattered to me (yes I’m still sore about that too, and who dares, and… more).
If they want updates, fine, but leave a classic section or something. If there are licensing issues, maybe push on the negotiations. It’s not like I’m watching more hours of licensed video than I was just because they have more content, so they should consider pushing back on their negotiations if needed. I suspect rather it’s just that some content is cheaper than others and they don’t want me watching the expensive content at all when I could watch cheaper content instead.
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^That’s what I’m talking about.
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Oh, I get it. Believe me. It’s just that I am willing to accept that some “licensing” issues can not be resolved. What I am unwilling to accept is the gawd offul job they’ve done with the remasters, or, put another way, the absolutely stellar job they’ve done at destroying perfectly salvageable SUF vids.
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Exactly. You can see how classics such as Fight Club have been redone by the old SUF crew. Or when Sir Francois had to redo Recharger because of licensing issues. In both cases they were able to maintain or improve on the original, and listen to feedback.
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If they touch blender I’m out, and what’s more I’ll do what we British do in times of real crisis and write a strongly worded letter and with said letter, I will post a shreaded chamois that I have worn for a week of Sufferfest workouts. That will show ‘em!
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This is what I have feared for SUF ever since wahoo got hold of it. They have been forcing their content into training plans that I’m not interested in, and the ‘new’ videos are clearly from different teams than the founder’s team that originally set up the sufferfest.
I independently was a beta tester of RGT and was similarly disappointed by the sudden death of that when wahoo decided to settle with ZWIFT over their issues by killing a platform I much preferred.
So the hatred builds unfortunately.
I started my wahoo journey with kickr1 and bolt, and sufferfest.
When the SUF dies, I won’t be here, and I won’t be buying any more wahoo kit or content.
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Love you guys…
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My subscription is up in 2 months, I might as well try that combo.
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Thinking about it, the whole thing is possibly a genius move on The Company’s part to hand over customers, many of which would have not contemplated it not so long ago, to their buddies at Zwift.
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I despise Zwift, running along side the road while using a cycling app? Terrible. They put the price up too at the same time as adding free running options and then told us it was for additional content.
I loved RGT and wahoo bought it up for expansion and then dropped it like a hot rock because Zwift’s lawyers bargained them down.
I’ll go to my whoosh and TR if I’m leaving, and I’m not playing the Zwahooft game.
( I think you might be right by the way )
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My idle wonderings are maybe us Sufferlandrians are the heaviest users of SYSTM so are the least profitable after hosting and licensing costs (assuming it’s a per play fee). Heavy users leave and the average ARR per customer goes up.
Or it’s cheaper to get everyone to cancel than to close and pay refunds. But then why have the cost of the remaster when you could just say, due to licence expiry this workout is no longer available.
No idea, but I’m rather sad about it.
I’ve been really impressed with TrainerRoad with the little playing I’ve done and their podcast is great. So likely I’ll end up there when my annual sub runs out in September.
Oh well… at least I’ve still got all the original video downloads to enjoy…
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I guess the cost savings Wahoo is making by implementing these poor quality edits to classic Sufferfest videos are substantial when you consider the PR disaster this is. Good relations with potentially high spending cycling enthusiasts is priceless I would have thought.
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Absolutely, this is the maybe another way to make the “company” take notice…
I would refer you to my older post… https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/de-suf-me-de-hoo-you/27611/1
I urge you to do the same and tell all your friends. 
I use a wee sideloaded app to Strava called ActivityFix… you can set rules for pretty much anything on your activity.
I have mine set to delete anything containing the word W*hoo and replace with The Sufferfest, as in the old, traditional way of naming things.
Give it a go… it’s weirdly satisfying.
Edit… I also have NO company branded hardware in my life and never will… So glad I bought Tacx and Garmin stuff. I really think they will lose sales over this as it’s snowballing now. Plus… maybe they should have stuck to h/w as also Zwift should have stuck to s/w as has been seen in their fora with the amount of Zwift bike problems etc.
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My subscription runs to October, by which I will definitely consider TR and Zwift. I much prefer SYSTM for the quality of training and 4DP but it’s just not keeping up with developments on other platforms.
SYSTM is still not bad platform, indeed it’s very good, it just increasingly doesn’t quite match the competition in terms of usability and features
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I have cancelled subscription.
Mostly because I don’t like to use Systm as I used to the Sufferfest.
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