Good question. Must be the removal of all the fun. 
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I may be late to the game but I wanted to do the Butter workout yesterday, only to find out it’s been replaced by OL Costa Blanca: Port de Tudons. Sorry, but Costa is a loser. I’m not interested in seeing a tour of Spain while working my butt off on the trainer. It’s just not very compelling. I’m fine with some of the IOL rides when I want an easy Zone 2 that doesn’t require any focus but Butter has been ruined.
I last did Butter about a year ago. I don’t feel like I’m getting any stronger but yesterday’s Butter felt easier. I compared my old Butter workouts to the new Costa workout and all the metrics of my effort pointed lower/easier.
Now with Defender gone and/or reformulated, and others probably on the way, I worry that we’re going to see the Sufferfest we have known and loved get watered down over time. I stuck with SYSTM when they bought Sufferfest because I wanted to stay with Sufferfest. The vast majority of what I do on SYSTM is Sufferfest. Don’t mess with it!
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I’ve just planned out my workouts for February, which will include Angels and A Very Dark Place. Both are flagged as having updated versions, but I’m unsure about which versions that I have currently downloaded. My history shows that I last did Angels in January, 2024 and AVDP in January, 2025. I generally “Do As I’m Told,” so would have updated at the time if so instructed.
The general tenor of this thread seems to be that the originals are still the best, but if that ship has sailed, the second remastering, if available, is an improvement over the first.
I’ve been following this issue at a distance since I only use the trainer through the winter months. Thanks in advance to anyone who could advise me on which versions of these two workouts that I have.
In all likliehood @Salsa if those were the last time you did them they would be the originals or as close to the OG’s as possible, neither of them were remastered until after, the only vids updated around that time were Primers and Igniter although I might still be wrong.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll resist the inclination to obey and stick with the versions that I have. Angels is up for Thursday, so I will know soon.
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Angels “original” isn’t the actual original but its remastered version. the original Angels was my first ever SUF video and I didn’t really like the remaster at the time and still don’t, so I was pretty happy when it disappeared and replaced with the current version
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So I rode the remastered Attacker. My review:
Is it art? No. Is it perfect? No. Do the efforts match the onscreen action? Ermm….sometimes kinda sorta. To be fair though, it’s retained enough SUF humour and such to keep it engaging and, had I never done the original, I’d say it’s pretty darn good.
Critically though, is it repeatable? Yes. Yes it is. I would not hesitate to ride this one again.
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I am happy to hear you say that. We need every bit of positivity, every glimpse of light in these times where we feared SUF was going to a very dark place. These gives me hope SUF isn’t caught in a downward spiral after all. Still, it is not easy to be a defender of the remasters, we should not let the Wahoulihans think they are getting away with it, and keep the mindset of an attacker and never give up SUF. There is no place like home, surrounded by angels doing our chores, so we may go for a joyride chasing a high time. But this went completely off the rails, becoming a far too long scream, so will end here.
But will I substitute my downloaded original attacker? No. No I won’t.
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Smart. I wasn’t planning to do so either but needed to do a complete uninstall and reinstall and as a result lost ALL my downloads 
It was very sad for me as I had nearly all of the vids prior to their remastering.
This forced me to ride the remasters and Attacker was first up. I’ve seen the others but never ridden them.
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Sir Glen - of the remasters (thankfully I still have some of the originals downloaded), I would say the latest Power Station is good, Angels is OK (although I miss the original storyline) and I wouldn;t touch ISLAGIATT, Thin Air, It Seemed Like Thin Air, Clobber, Joyride, Cash Register, Who Dares with a 10 foot barge pole!
And I miss Butter, The TRick and Defender and will never do them in their remastered incarnation.
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I am sorry to hear that sir Glen. Sound like hard suffering, of the non-performance enhancing type.
Mine are on a very old Mac laptop, I guess there is only a matter of time before I lose mine too…
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My 2012 MacBook Pro crashed the other week while I was switching from MacOS to Windows, if you have the OG Sufferfest rides I’d suggest getting a big enough usb or ssd and saving SYSTM onto it, hoping the bootable disk I get for macOS Catalina works but I’m not holding out much hope. If I had a bit more sense I’d have done that years ago and if you buy a new Mac the intel version will work on it.
Next up for me of the remasters was Who Dares. Today. I absolutely DREADED this without beating Coryn Labecki (Rivera) in the final sprint and her pure gut wrenchingly emotional reaction to my win. That ending always made the workout special! It was so perfectly SUF.
The review.
The positives. The cycling footage is very good. The music, I’m pretty sure is unchanged. It’s a brilliant workout providing just enough stress to be able to finish it and enough variety (mixing high cadence, low cadence, tempo and threshold efforts) to keep it interesting without overly taxing your ability to focus (unlike the relentless Defender 
).
As to the SUF of it, this one is pretty good too. Like Attacker, it’s not art. All the efforts dont fully match the onscreen content but it’s pretty close. And I really enjoyed the repeated footage and the humorous text in the third effort saying this dropped rider looks VERY familiar. 
. And, most importantly, it’s repeatable. I’ll have no qualms at all about doing this one again.
Criticisms: the lifetime supply of Champagne even if it’s in Champagne, while cute, falls, erm, flat. Sufferlandrians have Real Pagne. There’s a fair amount of climbing, but no Climb integration (pleeeeez, at least for the uphill bits, add this 
)
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Strange. The remaster had climb integration when it was first released. It had the amusing 60% incline bug. 
https://wahoox.forum.wahoofitness.com/t/nit-picks-and-typos/2931/670?u=jan
Btw: Great Review, Sir!
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I guess the gradient sim was removed since the footage is completely different now. I hope it’s added back in to match the new stuff.
I know it feels like a cop-out but I am going to blame the minions here as I distinctly remember going through the new Who Dares and adding gradients to it!
I’ve added it to my to-do list
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A minion blaming the minions is essentially taking responsibility so…
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Time for a “new” review. Up next for me today was the remastered Do As You’re Told.
I knew this one had retained a bunch of the old SUF stuff but when I first looked at it, after its initial remaster, the team car guys had lost some of their credentials and there was some other inexplicable missing SUF stuff while much of it was retained. That just flummoxed me. Fast forward to today. Much of the feedback provided must have been incorporated here cuz this one has now shot to the top of the SUF idol charts, with a bullet
From the start of the vid and for a full 6-8 mins of the video I was smiling at all the unadulterated SUF of it. One of the things I love most about SUF was that it never took itself too seriously while simultaneously getting us to seriously suffer. It’s magical when it works and this one works.
Not only is this a GREAT workout (as we expect with SUF) with a tough set of matching intervals followed by another tough set of inverse intervals it also has all the tongue in cheek, self deprecating humour, GvA references, grumpy cat saying “you call that suffering” or something to that effect. The guys got their PhDs back (woot woot) the gradient sim is near perfectly integrated for the Climb/Kickr Bike v1/2/Pro, the soundtrack is the same and the cycling footage is really good. First the men’s race, then the women’s and the efforts required of us match so closely it’d be super nit-picky of me to critique it, so I won’t even bother. And, tbt, there was a couple of moments where I was either staring at either my stem or the countdown clock so…
Great cycling footage. Great job of matching efforts to on screen footage. 100% repeatable. I’ll look forward to doing this one next time it pops up (or I’ll sub it in if something I’d rather not do shows up in the plan).
My only criticism, and while it’s a minor one considering what a good job has been done with quite literally everything else about it, is after all the work is done, just before the start of the descent, the onscreen text says “you’re one step closer to becoming a better athlete” (see time stamp in image)
That sounds much more Wahoo than SUF. Just prior to this it says we crushed it..and Well Done Today! I’d have rather it just ended there.
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This is much better @Glen.Coutts i remember the earlier update where they take the University of Sufferlandria out but like you say it’s back in again, 
, I don’t mind if videos take a good bit of time to be remastered as long as they turn out like this and Recharger rather than the awful Clobber or Joyride which are now so bland they’re not even worth doing
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Today called for The Downward Spiral.
Here is my review
100% repeatable and sneakily tough. Those last 2 extra AC intervals nearly had me calling Gerry (for the SUF bucket) iykyk
It’s been a wildebeest’s age since I did this one and my memory is lousy anyway but it seems like pretty much ALL the SUF is there in almost all its glory. Perfect opening SUF stuff to set the mood and the stage for the right mindset for what you’ve got in front of you.
Most of the efforts required of us match the screen footage most of the time and what doesn’t is pretty minimal and can be forgiven under the circumstances. There wasn’t any barf worthy “build the better athlete” company speak but there was plenty of SUF style encouragement and, iirc, a wee bit of tongue-in-cheek self-deprecating SUF style taunting.
I was feeling pretty hopeful with the Kickr Climb engagement provided during the warmup and maybe the first 1 or 2 intervals of the first set and so looked forward to the rest of the vid being just as well done but Climb integration just ended and gradient showed 0% for the entirety of both sets of intervals. And there’s some cobbled climbs and other sections that would clearly benefit from that so, once again, Sir @Rupert, if you could take another look at the Climb integration for the main intervals and add that in that would be super swell!!
I think there may have been a couple of clips of duplicate footage and if so, it would be good to reference that in the vid itself. So something like: “let’s do that again” or “that was fun, let’s repeat” or “the minions seem to be messing with the Time Machine again, sorry about that”
Also, sooooper nitpicky but in Sufferlandria, honour is always spelled with a u and there was at least one maybe two instances where the US spelling was used.
More than you.
Sir Glen
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