And some of us plan to add Kitchen Sink in October in celebration of Sufferlandria’s National Day!
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You had me, @Rupert.H…so. close.
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Oh. yeah. We agreed to that, didn’t we…
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Pro ride yes but if they put in another RGT stage count me out.
Its such a pain in the ass piece of software to run, it’s got so few ‘courses’ (unless you can be bother faping around with magic roads) and it the end its just boring to ride. Both times I tried it I found myself turning to YouTube to keep me on the bike.
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Not long till he is in seniors and then race with with. You have to just be older and wiser. Set yourself the goal of helping him in the races. Then you can have fun together, and if the group is still together at the end then he can lead you out for the sprint.
;0)
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No chance of that, when he wants, he can ride me off his wheel. I’m just happy to keep up in training. He has just signed for a new Junior team for next season that rides top level races here in Belgium, so he will be riding on a another level (UCI 1.1, 2.1 etc). It’ll be tough for him getting a place for those races being a 1st year Junior, but he has time to develop. After a 12 week All Purpose Road, I might be able to ambush him and jump for a town sign sprint though. 
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@FatSprinter Those victories count too.
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Absolutely, but its all in the timing of the surprise. Last time I did it, I went too early and he got by me and promptly got cheeky and disrespected me by riding by on the tops pretending to be making no effort. 
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Take ‘em where you can! 
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I was really looking forward to reading your response until I read that you are still holding on to the misleading, hurtful renaming of the tour. Many people including myself have explained why the new name is just wrong, at least for most people living in Europe.
To add my own personal experience: when I was a little boy, my uncle was almost beaten to death by a hooligan just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pretty much everyone living near one of the bigger soccer arenas knows what hooligans are and what they do. Just putting the letter ‘w’ in front of it doesn’t change anything.
In my case it also made fundraising much more difficult. My employer, a Canada based IT company with about 90,000 employees worldwide, about half of them in Europe is really open for fundraising campaigns. Our CSR (corporate social responsibility) team was about to support me but all talks immediately stopped when they heard the name. They made it quite clear that will not support anything with such a misleading name.
If the word “suffer” had to be replaced or at least be hidden because it might discourage people then why do you/your marketing people still think (w)hooligan is perfectly fine?
Why not just do what championships do to show that they are open for everyone and rename the tour to something like “Sufferlandrian Open” or "Open Tour of Sufferlandria)?
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What’s worse (noticed this the other day) - it’s now core advertising for the site…
(FWIW - some of we 
really hate it too!)
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I think at issue here is that the word “Suffer” in anything is also a deterrent for many.
But I remember the lengths that The Company went to in order to rebrand in order to avoid any association with the rise of Nazi Germany.
We lost our old flag, our kit, including the knights kit. It was difficult to accept but completely understandable.
What surprises me is that while The Company has been sensitive to that, they have done nothing to remove their negative association with hooliganism. Now I’m an American, so we use the term hoodlum instead. I’d leave if Wahoo called the tour The Wahoodlum Tour. This really needs to be addressed.
I can understand not using the term Sufferlandria, but surely with all the words in the world, they could come up with something more suitable.
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From a purely historical perspective, their use of the name as a marketing method for referring to a group of Wahoo users is years old and predates the tour. It’s not a recent change to their advertising. The tour has just made more people cognizant of its existence and use.
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@kah, @Sir_Brian_M et all
Been down this road many MANY times and it seems a dead end.
Lots of us had provided input to The Company on suggested alternatives to The Tour That Shall Not Be Named but it has been all for nought. As @jcolp pointed out, The Company has been using the term Wahoo----- for many years and, for whatever reason, they seem pretty stuck on it. While not offended by the name (though I 100% understand the offensiveness others experience), it just doesn’t hit with me in ANY personal or meaningful way.
I was telling a friend about the relegating of Sufferlandria since The Company acquired The Sufferfest as he was aware of The Tour of Sufferlandria and was generally a fan of The Sufferfest vids style, sport science backing, humour, cheese, engagement, motivation, humour and humour. He pointed out that outside of The Sufferfest, he couldn’t think of any indoor training that would literally make him laugh out loud while working his A$$ off.
which is precisely the point that struck my friend as odd, and I wholeheartedly agree (hence my continued perplexity). Even non-cyclists are aware of The Tour de France. Some are even aware there are a couple other grand tours such that the former Tour of Sufferlandria (ou Tour de Sufferlandria) evokes a cycling tour of, or around, or finishing at a particular place (albeit a mythical nation) whereas The Wahoolimabob Tour does not evoke a place but rather a group of people so it doesn’t even make sense.
A better name would have been The Tour of Wahoo X. Or The Tour of Wahoo. Or, Tour de Wahoo, or better yet, simply The Tour (which could have satisfied some Sufferlandrians as that’s what we’ve been calling the Tour of Sufferlandria for years anyway).
When Sir @David.McQuillen.KoS pronounced the Tour of Sufferlandria dead my guess is that it wasn’t without a fight beforehand.
As I’ve also said many times before, I’m here for the long haul. SYSTM with The Sufferfest is, for me, unrivalled in its value. We can never leave 
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Or the “Wahoo X Tour of Sufferlandria.”
So many better options… 
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I’m okay with the name change if they’re gonna have non-SUF content. Just not THAT name change.
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Trouble is even “X” is not safe anymore as it’s been Musked.
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Please, no! Don’t remaster the current Sufferfest videos; leave them as they are. If you really want to create content, focus on adding videos to the ‘novids’ workouts instead.
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I wonder if the licence agreement for the footage expires?
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why not remaster but keep the original versions accessible for Knights only (just like the ride thou shall not talk about)?
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