Do workouts scale to individual values in your 4DP (i.e. MAP)

Hi all, coming back to SYSTM after a while but I can’t remember the answer to this question. Do the workouts scale to individual values in your 4DP? e.g., let’s say I do take a full monty test and find that my MAP has decreased 10% relative to the other 3 values… Does SYSTM then adjust the MAP-related power outputs in the workouts so I can improve my MAP, or does it just scale all 4 values collectively?

put another way, if my map sucks, will SYSTM adjust the MAP-related peaks and valleys in the workouts to help me improve that, or will it just suggest I take on the MAP building block, which has workouts geared toward MAP improvement…?

I hope this makes sense. I want to know if SYSTM is smart enough to scale up MAP at a rate greater than FTP, AC, and NM if I"m really low at MAP… 4DP is still quite awesome even if it doesn’t!

Thanks!

Yes, the workouts are adjusted to your 4DP profile values.

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thanks!

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I wrote my previous reply on the go on mobile phone, so now I want to add some reference. Here https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/4403358637586-Fitness-Assessments-in-the-SYSTM-app is answer to your question:

Why complete an assessment?

  • Workout targets are adjusted to your ability and for optimal training.
  • Training plans are tailored to your Rider Profile (type and weakness)

And welcome to the forum @steeleworthy :grinning:

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Ok, so what if I completed a 4dp in the middle of a training program? Will the future workouts automatically scale to my new 4dp profile?

Thanks!

Yes they will.

It’s worth being clear here what adjusts exactly:

If you choose a training programme, the types of workouts/videos selected for you will be dependent on your rider type. This does not change if you do an assessment half way (the workouts/videos in the calendar stay the same until you choose a new training programme).

The FTP, MAP, AC, NM values in individual workouts are set on the basis of your personal values. This does change if you do an assessment half way for future workouts/videos.

Correct me if I’m wrong here! I just think sometimes new starters to Systm get a bit confused by the language in the Whaoo explainers.

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I read back to the first post in the thread, and it seems to me that the very first question has never really been answered directly.
While the TITLE of the thread asks if workouts scale to individual values in your 4DP profile, that isn’t exactly what the OP seemed confused about.
As has been stated several times, YES, the workouts DO SCALE to your 4DP numbers.
@Malte said, this only changes the workout values, but does not change an already in place Training Plan. I was not aware of that, and that’s a good point to remember for those using Plans.

But the OP asked a different question that seems not to have been touched on, IMO.

It’s just my guess because I’m not really certain, but I suspect that the answer is NO, SYSTM will NOT CHANGE workouts TO ADDRESS a “weakness” such as MAP or whatever UNLESS that is the target of the WORKOUT or of the TRAINING PLAN.
I think it is up to you to choose workouts or plans that target what YOU want to improve. We all differ in our strength or weakness in the various bits (NM, AC, MAP, FTP) and the graphical representation of a ROULEUR or SPRINTER or whatever shows wide variations in that spiral-like chart.
The OP closed with:

As I said, I think SYSTM DOES NOT do this UNLESS it’s chosen as a target of the workout or plan, and really, it STILL does not adjust that particular target at a greater rate for X-subscriber just because X-subscriber’s MAP (or __) is low.
It’s more a factor of the design of the workout itself.
In fact, if one’s MAP is now LOWER, I suspect the demands of the workout pertaining to MAP will actually ALSO be LOWER and less demanding because that’s WHERE one’s CURRENT LEVEL IS.

Am I correct in these assumptions? I don’t really know.
Anyone want to fill in the blanks here?

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My understanding of the process is this:

  1. Complete FF.

  2. Add a training plan to the calendar. Exactly which workouts this contains will depend on what Systm perceives to be your main area for improvement relative to the overall goal of the plan.

  3. The targets in each workout are defined as fixed percentages of your measured 4DP values - blue sections are some percentage of FTP, yellow are x% of MAP, orange based on AC and pink on NM. The percentages are the same for all of us but obviously the values will be different.*

  4. Mid-plan HM will update your FTP and MAP values so will then give different targets in the blue and yellow sections in the second half of the plan than you would have got for those same sections before the HM. Which workouts are scheduled does not change.

*The workout player allows us to adjust these percentages on the fly, either individually or collectively.

I think this is basically what others have said.

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