NEW ON LOCATION: Costa Blanca

I’d also like to emphasise that the music matching the effort is one of the most important aspects for me, if not the most important.

I love the humour of the SUF videos as well as the footage, and I prefer those videos to all the other content. Ultimately though, the SYSTM platform’s unique selling point for me is the music — that’s what motivates me to get through the hard workouts when I’ve already closed my eyes and am just focusing on my breathing.

I could even live with a solution, where I would start some sort of playlist on Spotify that has been provided by Wahoo and more or less replicates the core idea of the SUF soundtrack.

However, if I find myself progressively doing workouts without effort-matching music, I will move on to another platform.

Update: I haven’t mentioned the 4DP as an unique selling points compared to Zwift and similar platforms. Whenever I did workouts on other platforms with video/animated content, I found that the MAP/NM values just didn’t correspond to my actual levels. I always felt that the workout wasn’t as efficient as it could have been.

And yes: “WITHOUT” effort-matching music

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pretty sure you meant “without” right?

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Yes - another vote here for Sufferfest style playlists - Recharger and The Model are high points for me. And definitely lyrics over instrumentals.

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I was wondering if it would be possible to release “There is No Try”, “The Trick”, “Butter” and “Recharger” as “no vids”? This would allow continuity in the history section of the Wahoo X app enabling performance comparisons to the original and no longer available video versions of these workouts. These could then be done on TPV, Zwift etc.. Unfortunately, the OL versions appear as completely new workouts in the app history.

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I was excited to see the Costa Blanca videos released — it’s an awesome place to film OL videos, and I was actually there when Mike was recording (I saw him filming in Moraira and then at a café just before the start of the Rates climb). But now my feelings are mixed because of how the old SUF videos have been treated. I came here as a long-time Sufferfest user, but I don’t think I’ll resubscribe with the SUF videos being taken off the platform. Maybe I’ll do these OL videos to remember the awesome time I had at Costa Blanca — but that’s it.

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Hey @Rupert. I am actually a big fan of all the original Sufferfest music, but particularly the ‘indie’ stuff. I have been using the app a long time. - As has been called out by other folks it always had fantastic use of music suited and fitted to workout intensity and tempo. The original vid that hooked me to Sufferfest was ‘Hell hath no Fury’ - the driving hypnotic dance rythm over the first 20 minute tempo/FTP session as emma pooley rode her breakaway effort was superbly fitted to the effort. This care and attention to workouts as an immersive sound and vision experience while you basically ‘suffered’ horribly was very addictive and totally original in my experience and was the USP of Sufferfest and is what still keeps me here. If you have to lose the original videos for a while, please do everything possible to keep the music ‘as-is’, suited & locked to the efforts.

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Yes. If you’re going to change or lose the video, please keep the music.

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@Rupert You could probably try both old and new. The important thing as others have said is getting the best fit and timing you can to the intervals being performed. If you are thinking of adding music to a previous Suf workout becoming OL then the old music must be a good place to start. Brand new OL’s would be good to find some new music that fitted the workout and the ride being performed.

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I just did Port de la Vall d’Ebo.

I do not like this as a Recharger replacement. I kept visualizing the Recharger workout, especially during pyramids.

To add to other similar opinions, music is more important to me than the actual footage. I can hear the music even when my focus is on the effort.

I preferred the older Recharger before the remaster, but that is water under the bridge.

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I know it’s been said, I think maybe I’ve said it before too on some thread, but RECHARGER (as it has been for last couple years or so, I think) is at the very TOP OF MY LIST of workouts. ANYTIME I needed just a FUN RIDE, didn’t need any real focus, no demand for anything tough, didn’t matter what the 4DP numbers would be, only had a little bit of time or maybe just wanted another 30 minutes of work to add to something else, IT WAS ALWAYS RECHARGER. THAT WORKOUT and MUSIC WAS PERFECT DELIGHT!!
If ANY FACTORS could help me decide to come back to SYSTM, RECHARGER would be at the TOP OF THE LIST!

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Armin van Buuren for the tunes. How about an OL with Armin and Mike FTW.

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Exactly. I do Recharger once a week during my trainer season. Not only because it’s short and easy, but because of how positive the video and storyline is.

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I would rather have Recharger with just the original storyline texts and music without video than have it pulled and replaced by a watch once OL vid.

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I agree.

It doesn’t seem that hard to replace it with appropriate video. Just takes some time and effort.

Even just a first person view of someone riding thru small French and Italian seaside villages.

Because the OL just doesn’t work as a replacement. Keeping the storyline, music, and just putting in appropriate video is the ideal solution.

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I would agree, having both would seem to be a reasonable solution, at least until the replacement SUF video elements are available.

I really like the OLs in general but, for me, they don’t work well for structured workouts.

I also want to break things whenever I hear “upupupupupupup”, but that’s more than likely just me :grin:

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And me and agreed.

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Uh no, same here. When I hear “up up up” or the dreaded stand bell, I’m generally responding profanely with my own repeated mantra…

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[quote][quote=“Eric, post:23, topic:29405”]
Marc Madiot hanging out of the team car and yelling at Thibaut Pinot to Go! Go! Go!
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This was one of Rupert’s favorites, I remember him telling me about this after I completed this workout the first time. But sadly it is gone, if we do not have a license we cannot continue to have that content.[/quote]

We have a car. We could have Mike Cotty leaning out of the car, yelling encouragement to Phil Gaimon. We have the technology. We can make this video better than it was—harder, funnier.

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Somehow I just don’t think that would have the same effect.

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As we have said already in this thread, we will be bringing back a new version of Recharger in the SUF format.

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