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Back when Ironman bought Fulgaz, I had hoped that Wahoo would have purchased them because I thought the two could work together well. It would be great if Ironman purchased Sufferfest/System/RGT whatever you want to call it at this point.
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@LukeDuncan When I look on the Wahoo website I only see one trainer paired with Zwift which seems to be consistent with the announced agreement.
Every other trainer has the option to include Wahoo X - both monthly and annual. Further, now all of Wahoo’s other trainer models (and mats, fans, desks, HRM sensors) are being sold by Zwift on their website. So Wahoo now has another distribution channel that has something like 1 million members. Further, per the reporting of the agreement, Wahoo is getting a licensing fee from Zwift related to the sale of each Zwift hub (probably in the 1% to 5% range based on what I know about those settlements) and gets to protect its IP in the process and also plans further product synergies with Zwift.
To me this all seems like pretty positive news for the company.
Further, nothing that I have read or heard (other than some cryptic podcast that didn’t cite its sources and that with a little research we can all see didn’t get its facts right based on who is still in the forums) definitely says that the SYSTM app or the Sufferfest channel is closing. As noted above Wahoo is still selling subscriptions and is still advertising its platform and they should as it is a great platform and has unique content at a very competitive price point. Zwift doesn’t have what SYSTM has - they complement each other. Zwift does overlap with what RGT offers and so perhaps that is a consideration down the road for Wahoo but there are still key differentiators between each product - scenery, routes, physics, community, magic roads, etc…
Yes - it does look like Neal Henderson has gone back to Apex Coaching full time based on his LinkedIn status change. I enjoyed his podcasts and his occasional posts in the forum but I never met him nor used him as a coach and I suspect a lot of athletes in this forum fall into the same bucket.
His departure doesn’t affect my overall training focus and tomorrow morning I will get up and start the app and do my yoga, mobility and planned ride and continue on with my journey.
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Given that I generally prefer real-world video to gamified virtual worlds, a FulGaz acquisition as others have mentioned would be somewhat of a consolation if Wahoo’s done with Sufferfest/SYSTM 
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Or they just take one of the NoVids and create a story line around it.
hope not, novids are straight hiit, while sufferfests almost always have those little surprises that make the difference.
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My first thought on reading that was:
“It is a dark night, your lights have failed and all the power is out, there is a big scary monster just behind you so pedal as hard and fast as you can for the next 60 minutes to make it home alive.”
Every now and then throw in a scream or growl. That would get the adrenaline going!
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I held off buying a smart trainer until 2 years ago because I thought all the apps were like Zwift. I remember one of my kids saying “this makes biking into a computer game and you hate computer games “. I have zero interest in riding in imaginary worlds. I will occasionally do a group ride on RGT or do a route virtually to see if I can do it, but that is less than 5% of my indoor riding.
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Maybe Zwift will hire him?
Same as me yet mine is about 1%. Plodding along on imaginary roads with very limited different scenery with computer graphics going back to the 80’s is the pits. If they dropped RGT I would probably not notice
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I will say I really got into the Stelvio ride in RGT during the Shenanigans Tour this year - especially getting to ride it w @DPhin and his crew(!), but aside from that - still a big meh for me at this point, for all the reasons you guys have noted.
I really appreciated @Dan_Connelly taking time to put together a Magic Roads for the WC in Scotland, but would’ve enjoyed it more if the app would support better scenery mapping. I mean, it shouldn’t be that hard to render cityscapes and crowds where the GPS plot indicates urban areas. Knowing I’m in (to me) familiar areas of Glasgow, but RGT is showing me goats and kinda-forests (sorry goats!) is a let-down at this point in AR/VR tech development.
Just my two pence…
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Just hearing the news about all this, oof.
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Would be tempting, but I’m not sure what I’d do. I could see replacing RGT with indieVelo, but not sure I’d find a replacement for SYSTM…
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Well said!
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I no longer like the training plans, find I have to heavily customise the to my needs
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I haven’t noticed any major changes to the training plan methodology - what about them don’t you like, @Stonechat ?
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Me too- I use SYSTM more than RGT but love both of them, proper workouts in SUF then when the weather is godawful in winter a bit of RGT instead of frostbite! The one area of RGT I’d miss the most, has been woefully neglected and could have been so much better is the “magic roads”… Something Z are kinda trying to rip-off with their nasty climb portal (“Tragic Roads”)
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I’d keep subscribing even if they just left Wahoo X as it is tbh, as someone who rarely uses it in the summer (First SUF coming up this afternoon I reckon) there’s so many workouts to choose from I could get 4 months intervals put in over the darkest, coldest bits of winter without ever probably repeating one, and, if I did, not get the feeling “oh no, not this one again”…maybe I’m just getting older but having a crap memory is handy at times(!)
I do plenty of IRL loops from the house and never get bored with them. Maybe I’m not asking for much because in the end I remember how truly awful indoor training was 15-20 years ago with a clock to stare at and a HRM…
A lot of you hate RGT, I love it, the Just Rides are excellent, well thought out to give variation in length/gradient, and Magic Roads are a brilliant concept despite the monotonous scenery- some of us actually like the realism of riding up say El Teide in Tenerife, for example, alone for 4hrs than deluding ourselves we are fit hanging out in the middle of a 100+ peloton on Z jabber jawing to others…! I’d probably go to Rouvy if RGT goes down the pan…
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Not really “shilling” to advertise one’s own product on one’s own website, together with one’s own equipment.
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Thanks mate…