Yesterday’s grand prix quebec 2025 would make a fantastic SUF video, just saying…
Alaphilippe races away and Poggi tries and fails… I’d watch that over and over again
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@Malte I just watched the finish on YouTube. Classic Alaphilippe!
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I think it’s interesting to see how both he and Pidcock have been liberated by their moves to “lower” teams - they seem like they’re enjoying themselves again. I wonder whether other riders will look at them and think that there might be better options than joining the talent stockpiles at teams like UAE and Bora.
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This would be a perfect finish for the (re)remastered “Attacker”. Just like the original one. Its current (intermediate) version is just boring.
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@kah Highly agree but, it’s still better than it being a No-Vid or On Location, yes?
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Yes, it is. I would even say that the remastered Attacker is quite good… except for end.
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Since we are in Sufferlandria it would be good if some of the videos or even 1 had really horrible conditions like rain or snow or even the muddy Paris Roubaix from a few years ago, we can’t have sunshine in Sufferlandria every day right ? @mgboehmer
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Agreed and no.
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I’m a massive Cotty fan, but riding with him is not the same thing as flogging myself in a SUFF.
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I was unaware there was sunshine in Sufferlandria, I am too busy watching sweat corrode my stem during my workouts.
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I don’t know about sun or clouds. But all the SUF holy water sure makes for high humidity.
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ha ha ha, the corrosion on cars is horrible with all that sodium, hence the team car situation
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The possibility of this comment, which is based on an underlying mythological world defined by a (mostly)-coherent set of references across many independent (slightly)-plot-based workouts is what differentiates SufferFest from On Location or ProRide videos. And makes them much more repeatable.
The only thing that links the On Location videos is the host. I generally only repeat those if they have the power profile I want on a particular day. Similar comments about the ProRides.
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Well, I did the new OL version of The Trick yesterday. I’ve pretty much avoided this workout over the years because, well, I completely suck at AC intervals but the one thing I always enjoyed about it was the music, especially on the long FTP/tempo block at the end. Sorry @mgboehmer and @Rupert but this really needs music….and footage. With that being said, it’s still just as hard as an OL video as it was when it had music and race footage….(I did have to mute Cotty for the 15 minute FTP/tempo block and crank up some music though).
How about this, how about adding in the music that is at the start of the VOT climb as well as some other music, such as the music during the “Final Act” of Thin Air, etc.
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Phil wins the tour today.
Quick wins:
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Vaison-la-Romaine
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Subtitles (for all languages, not sure everyone gets the quality of the lyrics of “Elle est des nôtres”
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Put back the titles and authors of the songs
Feedback on the workout:
In Breakfast with Boz, the big boss said the videos had to be engaging. Honestly, compared to Defender, it’s like night and day. The motivation in the video is totally absent. I’m not sure Sir Evan would want to do it ten times in a row.
Defender was motivating, the “scenario” may not have been realistic, but it was plausible and funny. Don’t tell me you no longer have the rights to the 3D sequences (cheap but so appropriate with the title). I’d probably do it again (because I know it’s effective), but without the video.
The footage could have been used for an on-location video, but even then, you’d need to add a bit of contextual content (I understand Phil can’t be talking the whole time, Mike is unique, but text inserts about the region or the history of the climbs in the Tour de France could break the monotony).
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This. This is what drew me to using SYSTM. The comradery around the references to a mythical land, especially during events like the Tour of Sufferlandria, can push you to finish when you don’t think you can. My first time through the Tour, I was distracting myself from the pain from the Nine Hammers with musings on the wine and beer production of Sufferlandria. Last year, the community is what pushed me to create the Rebel Tour de Sufferlandria and…well, almost finish it, as I cracked on the final stage after pushing myself through 19 Sufferfest workouts at 100% in a week. Not something I would have ever thought possible. (#morethanyou )
Heck, even yesterday I was using references to motivate me during a harder than expected TrainerRoad workout instead of DNFing it (“What would GvA and the minions say, if they found out I DNFed a non-Sufferlandrian session?”).
But Wahoo doesn’t understand that in the slightest apparently. @WahooMikeG
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Did AVDP a few days ago, as part of the september challenge . Almost 3 years since last time, I don‘t really remember everything from the old one (Wasn’t it about Gilbert’s amazing wins, what a rider!). It was a workout I avoided because of the high cadence standing intervals, which were (and still are 
) out of my abilities, I did enjoy it, good job here.
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Yeah… my feedback is stop messing with things, to put it nicely. Familiarity matters. Routine matters. Having reference points for subtle differences in how a particular session feels every single time matters. Nobody wanted any of this (well the re-remaster maybe, but only relative to the remaster), and you ask for tons of feedback. There was a lot of enthusiasm for software feature development but of course that enthusiasm wasn’t meant in a context of less money used for content licensing.
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Of course what we’re struggling with here is some conflicting issues. People want videos with some artistry and inspiration, epic footage of snow, rain, pain, etc, AND to be well integrated to the workout as the Sufferefest sessions were. But that is a cohesive composition. I’m sure the Sufferfest authors did not just find video to match workouts but built the whole thing up creatively to work together, which is some of what is happening now with “Power Station.” But if you do that, at some point maybe it’s better to just quit calling these Sufferfest remasters at all, and then you don’t have to worry about us comparing them to originals. Just go ahead and make the death of Sufferfest official and make something new. All you have anyway at this point is the trademarks, and, to the extent they are even protectable, the erg files, and you’re changing those anyway.
I’d like to still be able to do the old workouts (erg files), exactly as they were, but if that’s becoming a completely different point anyway, then it is. Now I could do those workouts using various erg file software, and play them with whatever youtube video, but it could be nice if System allowed to play no vid workouts overlayed on any vid workout, and you could keep all the Sufferfest originals as no-vids. Obviously that’s a disjoint experience, but at least you can do the original workouts, can play some music and vid with them, even if completely disjoint, and Wahoo can then quit with the game of trying to make something new pretend it is something old.
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This is seriously a big blow… that video was a masterpiece. Why??? And Butter was also ?!?! WTF?!?
why can’t you just put them in the Knight’s Only library instead retiring these epics?
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